Not a huge win IMHO.

[PolishMike]

Sorry for making another thread about heller but i guess it is to be expected today.

I have some doubts about the practical outcomes of this decision. Sure headlines such as "DC Gun Ban Struck Down" and "Right to Bear Arms=Individual Right" may sound good to your ears but after reading Scalia's opinion I'm not so sure its a big win.

What it does: prevent a Californian/city outright ban on firearms. Good, but I don't think we were going there for a while anyway.

What it doesnt do: 1. Establish a test for gun laws. The court did not implement a test or level of scrutiny to distinguish which laws infringe on our constitutional rights and which ones do not. This will open to floodgates to a huge amount of lawsuits which 95+% of will not make it past the state level.
2. Ban registration/licenses. Upholding the right of a state to issue licenses is a major problem because they can in effect still take a non-issue stance such as California does towards its CCW policy. The states are told not to do so but it will take many more cases before these de facto gun bans go away.
3. Decide whether gun laws are up to the States or Feds. No clarification here means states are able to implement stupid laws. (CA AWB anyone?)
4. Strike down other restrictions on firearms such as stupid school zone laws. Also said that these regulations were OK.


IMO this case will not effect our daily lives for at least a long time, if ever.

Feel free to disagree. I want to hear what other people think.


Mike Baryla
International Relations Major @ USD
AFROTC

[ricknadine1111]

But it opens the door and allows more challenges towards those goals with our right secured by todays judgement. In other words we now have a keystone to build upon

[Surveyor]

Damn that half empty glass!!!

I was so thirsty for an overflowing glass of water, but all that they gave me was this half empty one.


I suppose that means that I have to keep working hard to fill it all the way up.

Polish Mike, you remind me of "Milton" at the end of 'Office Space'. Sitting on a beach with a bunch of free money, and all he can do is complain about the salt in his margarita...

Some people will always be self-defeatist.

Whatever... The camels nose is now all the way under the tent. We've crested the slope and we're no longer fighting an uphill battle.

I'm going to take this opportunity to reach out to my lefty friends. Maybe now they'll be willing to work together and take back ALL of our freedoms. (I.E. The Patriot Act, etc...)


(Of course, you're an International Relations Major @ USD and I'm not, so what do I know )

[cpmoore@frazmtn.com]

Now is the time to write your legislators.

To all. This decision is a positive step. But a baby one. Do you know that as of July 1 you cannot have ammo shipped to your private residence from out of state? That as of July 1 no out of state AR 15 lowers can be shipped here? That the Kalifornia Ammunition law may well be passed shortly? That will limit you to 30 rounds a month from non licensed dealers. In other words, they are target wal mart because they sell ammunition.

This is not a negative rant. It is a rant to wake everyone up to taking positive action. NOW is the time to write your legislators. Now is the time to send letters, make phone calls, and to post coherent, civil, intelligent opinions on the liberal blogs, like ABC news, USA today, et al. I've been there and the people who don't understand freedom are voicing their opinions. I've already written my opinion to several and will do more.

Remember, it's very possible the democrats will get the white house and that Obama my get to appoint up to 3 justices!!! You don't think they'll countermand this decision? Wake up please.

Now is the time to use all the civil, legal, means at your command to press forward.

These California laws are perfect examples that we cannot afford to not be vigilant EVERY MOMENT. We have to win every battle. The Attorney General only has to win one.

[Army]

I hope now some of you understand why the NRA balked at first with this case, as they wanted one with more far reaching teeth. NRA will now run with this decision for as much mileage as we can get.

[AngelDecoys]

I think most will agree the purpose of Heller was to open the door. Its been much discussed here but the main point of Heller is to set us up for Son/Spawn/Ugly Step Child/Uncle of Heller.

14th incorporation really is the goal, Heller is the means to get us there.

Did you notice? Our little 2nd amendment just started growing legal teeth.

[rbthntr64]

CP,
What you are describing is an infringement of your ability to defend yourself. This is what the decission will help you with when and if anyone decides to challenge those laws. Federal trumps state. You can only hope that people will be challenging those law with a vengence in court to have them overturned. IT will take all of you to band together to be heard. And guess what... when they get told to shut up and color, they won't be able to go to the SCOTUS because they have already ruled on such.
Did you guys see the brady bunch reaction? They basically said that the Supreme Court ruling mean nothing to them. There may be hope for the fine gun owning residents of California after all!

[Fjold]

What it really does is throw into question every case that used an individual vs collective right as the basis of the ruling.

That alone is huge here in California.

[random]

Do you know that as of July 1 you cannot have ammo shipped to your private residence from out of state?

Can anyone point out the PC section on that one? This is the first I have heard of it. --random

[hoffmang]

To all. This decision is a positive step. But a baby one. Do you know that as of July 1 you cannot have ammo shipped to your private residence from out of state? That as of July 1 no out of state AR 15 lowers can be shipped here? That the Kalifornia Ammunition law may well be passed shortly? That will limit you to 30 rounds a month from non licensed dealers. In other words, they are target wal mart because they sell ammunition.

This is not a negative rant. It is a rant to wake everyone up to taking positive action. NOW is the time to write your legislators. Now is the time to send letters, make phone calls, and to post coherent, civil, intelligent opinions on the liberal blogs, like ABC news, USA today, et al. I've been there and the people who don't understand freedom are voicing their opinions. I've already written my opinion to several and will do more.

Remember, it's very possible the democrats will get the white house and that Obama my get to appoint up to 3 justices!!! You don't think they'll countermand this decision? Wake up please.

Now is the time to use all the civil, legal, means at your command to press forward.

These California laws are perfect examples that we cannot afford to not be vigilant EVERY MOMENT. We have to win every battle. The Attorney General only has to win one.

FUD! AB 2062 hasn't passed yet. The CFLC is really easy to comply. California firearms laws are going to drop like flies. We have a 5-4 backstop in the Supreme Court.

Wow people don't like winning unless they get everything all at once. And we call the brady campaign childish...

-Gene

[bruss01]

Do you know that as of July 1 you cannot have ammo shipped to your private residence from out of state? That as of July 1 no out of state AR 15 lowers can be shipped here?

I have heard nothing to this effect and have to question whether these two assertions are true or false. I don't believe they are true.

[M1A Rifleman]

IMO this case will not effect our daily lives for at least a long time, if ever.

Cheer up, have drink, this is a good ruling. I think most expected it this way, however I think this is a rather big win in that it does make it much more difficult to simply pass gun laws. I think it is clear that out right bans are a no go, and it also makes reference that bans through license restritions (ala CA AW permit) would not pass muster. I think this means that shall issue for CCW is a real possibility - sure it will no doubt take court actions, but this is a good ruling non the less.

[random]

FUD! AB 2062 hasn't passed yet. The CFLC is really easy to comply. California firearms laws are going to drop like flies. We have a 5-4 backstop in the Supreme Court.-Gene

Thanks, thats what I thought!--random

[hill billy]

FUD! AB 2062 hasn't passed yet. The CFLC is really easy to comply. California firearms laws are going to drop like flies. We have a 5-4 backstop in the Supreme Court.

Wow people don't like winning unless they get everything all at once. And we call the brady campaign childish...

-Gene

I agree with you Gene, every step forward, no matter how small, is still a step forward. That is how the anti's have gained ground on us, it is time we do the same.

[Hunter]

To all.... Do you know that as of July 1 you cannot have ammo shipped to your private residence from out of state? That as of July 1 no out of state AR 15 lowers can be shipped here? ....

Holy crap, you REALLY need to READ a little more before post BS like this!