Punisher emblems on firearms?

[Bobby Ricigliano]

If that is the case, this thread is even more pointless than it was when it started. So you are telling me that a jury is going to think you wanted a guy to break into your home and you wanted to kill the guy because you used a firearm that had the Punisher skull on it as your home defense weapon?

Need I remind you that the bad guy broke into your house and came after you? Use a weed wacker if you need to, just stop his actions because he is in your home. No one is going to accuse you of being the Punisher unless you start talking without a lawyer present and make stupid statements.

The only way you are going to be questioned on your use of a home defense weapon is if it is illegal or if you have booby traps set up. Other than that, it is your home, it is your property and you can lawfully do what you want with it. When evil comes to you, how can anyone possibly think you are going to be questioned for defending your life and the lives of your loved ones. Talk about some FUD.

Typical elitist attitude. Somehow people who like the Punisher are below you and clearly they don't know anything about shooting or anything else.

If the only firearm you have has a Punisher on it, good for you. At least you are a gun owner and at least I can count on you to help defend our freedom.

That is right, bring a pistol to a gun fight. Brilliant idea. If you have a CCW you could just as easily have your normal carry piece under your shirt for immediate deployment and have a 7" AR pistol in your backpack for more serious situations. All of these are just tools in your toolbox.

Clearly some tools are better for some jobs than others. However saying that a guy that has a sledgehammer has issues because you like to carry a regular hammer is pretty foolish. Your hammer isn't going to do you any good for knocking a hole in a brick wall, but you can sure try. At the same time my big sledgehammer isn't going to be very good for driving nails into a 2x4. Different tools for different jobs. The only downside is not having the right tool for the right job. So keep your toolbox ready for anything.

And that is what cracks me up about these threads. Who cares what people like to do as long as they aren't infringing upon the rights of others? What do I care what you like to carry or not carry? Either what you do is legit or not. Your liberty is what this country was founded on. I respect that so I don't care what you have for self defense, I would just prefer it be a firearm because I want you to win!

I haven't heard about CCW's being given for AR Pistols carried in backpacks. Very interesting. A bullet buttoned, mini rifle with highly penetrating rounds sounds like a great choice to deploy in an urban environment. I don't really have anything further to offer to this thread because your CCW expertise and understanding of soccer mom jurors has clarified and crystallized the discussion. Thank you and take care.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I haven't heard about CCW's being given for AR Pistols carried in backpacks. Very interesting. A bullet buttoned, mini rifle with highly penetrating rounds sounds like a great choice to deploy in an urban environment.

I do believe that is why cops carry AR15s in their vehicles now. It actually does sound like a good idea. Over penetration? Use 35 grain V-Max or NTX.

I don't really have anything further to offer to this thread because your CCW expertise and understanding of soccer mom jurors has clarified and crystallized the discussion. Thank you and take care.

Yes. When starting a thread, if someone disagrees with you and you cannot refute what they are saying, simply leave. It is the best way to avoid being called out on something.

I have only been carrying a LTC for 10 years. What do I know? I bet I have just as much experience in shooting people as you do. None. So what makes you an expert? Tell us about your experience with soccer mom jurors. You said, "I carry a firearm for a living so this is not some abstract idea that came up during a beer and BBQ mall ninja get together." So what do you do for a living? I "carry a firearm for a living" as a gun shop owner, but that doesn't necessarily make me a soccer mom expert either. Lawyers who don't carry a gun for a living would probably have the most experience in such matters.

Whatever you do, don't post specific examples of people being prosecuted for having Punisher logos on their firearms. Don't post specific examples of people losing civil cases with such things on their firearms.

No please start a FUD thread and then leave when you get called on it.

[evidens83]

so by your logic, if i put hello kitty or care bears on my defense gun, the jury will think i'm a happy sane person that wouldn't hurt a fly and i would get off easily?

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[nick]

I have them on my range/competition gun. This is what I have in HD/SD gun...

Looks like a domestic terrorist weapon to me

[nick]

Sometimes I think I am the only one who prefers completely unadorned(with the obvious exception of the SN) guns.

I don't even like the serial number.

[robcoe]

I don't even like the serial number.

Yea, but it's kind of required when your buying a gun.

[STAGE 2]

You can have the punisher logo, pink fairies, or engrave the "deathgiver 3000" on the side of your firearm and it wont matter. Gunwriters, especially "the boob" do these things to fill pages.

The simple facts are that why your gun looks like it does, or even what gun you use don't go to any element of any crime. Moreover, there has never been a single case where a gunowner was convicted of an otherwise good shoot because of what his gun looked like. If this was an epidemic, or even something that warranted advise there would be at least a single case in the 200+ years of american jurisprudence to point to.

Again, this is stuff certian people constantly drag out to keep themselves relevant.

[nick]

Yea, but it's kind of required when your buying a gun.

Sadly, yes.

[rgs1975]

My carry gun...

[Dead*Reckoned]

My carry Glock 19 has a Gadsden flag rear slide plate.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

I do believe that is why cops carry AR15s in their vehicles now. It actually does sound like a good idea. Over penetration? Use 35 grain V-Max or NTX.

Yes. When starting a thread, if someone disagrees with you and you cannot refute what they are saying, simply leave. It is the best way to avoid being called out on something.

I have only been carrying a LTC for 10 years. What do I know? I bet I have just as much experience in shooting people as you do. None. So what makes you an expert? Tell us about your experience with soccer mom jurors. You said, "I carry a firearm for a living so this is not some abstract idea that came up during a beer and BBQ mall ninja get together." So what do you do for a living? I "carry a firearm for a living" as a gun shop owner, but that doesn't necessarily make me a soccer mom expert either. Lawyers who don't carry a gun for a living would probably have the most experience in such matters.

Whatever you do, don't post specific examples of people being prosecuted for having Punisher logos on their firearms. Don't post specific examples of people losing civil cases with such things on their firearms.

No please start a FUD thread and then leave when you get called on it.

I've stated elsewhere in these forums what I do for a living. FUD is apparently anything you don't agree with. The post was opened to hopefully create a discussion and exchange of opinions. It got ugly when you when you arrived, deemed the thread pointless, yet still spent a good deal of your time posting multiple lengthy responses. Whenever I see a pointless thread I usually just skip it, but maybe you have lots of free time.

Any further back and forth with you would be tiresome and boring to me and everyone else. I appreciate everyone else's responses, yes even those who disagree!

[diginit]

Back on topic...Love all the showoffs, But a skull on your grips will not be a good thing in court. Subclassing you like a prison tatoo saying death is no big deal and I just want to kill something. Lets be real...This is a courtroom. Not a cool gun contest.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Love all the showoffs, But a skull on your grips will not be a good thing in court. Subclassing you like a prison tatoo saying death is no big deal and I just want to kill something. Lets be real...This is a courtroom. Not a cool gun contest.

This was essentially my point in the first post. It has been all downhill since.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I've stated elsewhere in these forums what I do for a living.

That is nice. Continue to ignore relevant facts. What makes you an expert that "this is not some abstract idea that came up during a beer and BBQ mall ninja get together." You made a statement, back it up with facts.

FUD is apparently anything you don't agree with.

No, FUD is fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Please cite a case where a person's choice of firearm in their home caused them to lose a self defense case or even a civil judgement. If it isn't happening, then you are spreading FUD. There is not really an issue, but you want to pretend like there is.

The post was opened to hopefully create a discussion and exchange of opinions. It got ugly when you when you arrived, deemed the thread pointless, yet still spent a good deal of your time posting multiple lengthy responses. Whenever I see a pointless thread I usually just skip it, but maybe you have lots of free time.

I am proud of you. Congratulations. Instead of listening to FUD, I questioned it. You are entitled to listen to FUD and ignore it in threads if you wish. I ask relevant questions that continue to go unanswered.

Any further back and forth with you would be tiresome and boring to me and everyone else. I appreciate everyone else's responses, yes even those who disagree!

Yeah, someone who disagrees with you is tiresome and boring. You sound like an anti-gunner. Let's not let facts, logic, or reason get in the way of your FUD campaign. The world is coming to an end! Don't have guns with skulls on them!

Back on topic...Love all the showoffs, But a skull on your grips will not be a good thing in court. Subclassing you like a prison tatoo saying death is no big deal and I just want to kill something. Lets be real...This is a courtroom. Not a cool gun contest.

Please cite a case where these grips in question cost something in court. Everyone please note the use of the word "showoffs". What is really at issue here is not real, hard cases of people losing court cases based on their firearm choice. It is about an elitist class of gun owners who look down upon those outside "the established norms". Really what is at stake is a dividing of what should be a unified front because certain people don't fit into your subclass. This thread is elitist FUD at its finest.

This was essentially my point in the first post. It has been all downhill since.

And none of you have shown this to be the actual case. Name one case where Punisher skulls cost someone in court. If you can't find Punisher skulls, find any case where a person's choice of firearm in their home caused them to lose a self defense case or even a civil judgement.

I am sure you have cited those cases elsewhere in the forum right? I guess I should go look there.

You can have the punisher logo, pink fairies, or engrave the "deathgiver 3000" on the side of your firearm and it wont matter. Gunwriters, especially "the boob" do these things to fill pages.

The simple facts are that why your gun looks like it does, or even what gun you use don't go to any element of any crime. Moreover, there has never been a single case where a gunowner was convicted of an otherwise good shoot because of what his gun looked like. If this was an epidemic, or even something that warranted advise there would be at least a single case in the 200+ years of american jurisprudence to point to.

Again, this is stuff certian people constantly drag out to keep themselves relevant.

I think this sums this thread up quite well.

[ElvenSoul]

Punisher when I look at you know, all I see is Mickey Mouse. Damn you Disney for buying up Marvel.