Its OFFICIAL: Nevada Accepts AZ LTC not CCW

[Yugo]

I went to San Fernando PD they did 4 cards for $55 first card is $25 every additional $10 great deal the girl Cadet (very nice young lady we talked about hunting and guns )helped me I was in and out in 10 min.

[Bigtime1]

You mean besides LA gov acting like Jackwagons and posturing about boycotting AZ? Until an AZ dep gov pointed out that a good chunk of LA uses power generated in AZ. You missed out on CA getting egg in its face.

State-level officials barred official state travel to AZ and ordered staff to find ways out of contracts with AZ companies

LA County Supervisors issued a proclamation condemning AZ's decision to enforce immigration laws.

LA City Council ordered city staff to find ways out of contracts with AZ companies and issued a proclamation condemning AZ's decision to enforce immigration laws.

San Diego City Council ordered city staff to find ways out of contracts with AZ companies and issued a proclamation condemning AZ's decision to enforce immigration laws.

San Francisco Board of Sups issued a proclamation condemning AZ's decision to enforce immigration laws.

The list of so-called elected representatives posturing and preening goes on.

All the above were intended to financially punish the state of Arizona and its citizens.

Something amusing is that for all the sabre rattling, nothing has really changed. CA, SF, LA and SD all still do business with AZ.

So, IMHO, if a few state employees in AZ want to the return the F-U to the state folks in CA, I don't blame them one bit. Sure, its the citizens that pay for the idiocy of the elected officials, but isn't that who would pay if any of the BS spewed forth from CA actually worked?

[Untamed1972]

So I get my Utah permit, to carry in Nevada (who goes to Utah?). A few months later Nevada drops Utah as a valid out of state permit (not enough training required). Now I can use my Utah permit as valid training proof to get an Arizona permit that is valid in Nevada?? I think Nevada needs to figure things out better. Either way, I've just requested an app for Arizona, great news!

Yeah....same thing happened to me.

Funny tho......I thought NV dropped UT permit acceptance because they said the training requirement for the UT permit did not meet the NV minimum standard? But they will accept an AZ permit that issued based on UT training? HMMMmmmm......doesn't quite make sense.

[Glock22Fan]

Yeah....same thing happened to me.

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Me, three, except (as I said), I do go to Utah. Probably won't bother with Arizona as I have Utah and Nevada. Anyone see any reason why I should bother? After all, both Utah and Nevada are acceptable in Az. I don't think Arizona covers anything else that Utah misses, does it?

[Untamed1972]

Me, three, except (as I said), I do go to Utah. Probably won't bother with Arizona as I have Utah and Nevada. Anyone see any reason why I should bother? After all, both Utah and Nevada are acceptable in Az. I don't think Arizona covers anything else that Utah misses, does it?

If you already have the NV...prolly no need for the AZ.

But the requirement to have to take the training IN NV to get the NV permit it hasn't been practical for me (and prolly many others) to obtain the NV permit. so being able to obtain the AZ permit by mail (esp using the UT permit to meet the training requirement....ei no additional training costs) which would allow one to carry in NV is a much more attractive option.

[Quiet]

Funny tho......I thought NV dropped UT permit acceptance because they said the training requirement for the UT permit did not meet the NV minimum standard? But they will accept an AZ permit that issued based on UT training? HMMMmmmm......doesn't quite make sense.

Hence the reason why some people are running a pool to see when NV drops AZ.

[Untamed1972]

Hence the reason why some people are running a pool to see when NV drops AZ.

Why would they have added AZ as of July just to turn around and drop them again?

[Southwest Chuck]

Why would they have added AZ as of July just to turn around and drop them again?

They might drop them due to the dichotomy stated in an earlier post. Nevada droped Utah due to the lack of a training requirement. Then they turn around and accept an AZ permit which Will accept a Utah permit as meeting their training requirements for issuance of an AZ permit.

My bet is that they revoke recognition of the AZ permits (at least out of state permits, if not all) within 90 days.

[Yugo]

Hence the reason why some people are running a pool to see when NV drops AZ.

Lets say they do drop them does that mean those who have it would be grandfathered in or it will be rendered useless?

[Quiet]

Why would they have added AZ as of July just to turn around and drop them again?

Why did they do it to UT?
Added, then 22 months later dropped.

Some speculate that the NVSCA were looking at AZ's old CCW training/issuance requirements when they decided to add AZ.
AZ's old requirements were much stricter than AZ's current requirements.

Could be back room politics.

Who knows.

[Southwest Chuck]

Lets say they do drop them does that mean those who have it would be grandfathered in or it will be rendered useless?

1. Grandfathered? Not a chance.
2. Not "useless". Still good in AZ and other reciprocal states

[Yugo]

now if we could only get komyfornia oh well meybe one day ill be able to protect my self where I live for now I will have to protect my self remotely in another state.

[Untamed1972]

Why did they do it to UT?
Added, then 22 months later dropped.

Some speculate that the NVSCA were looking at AZ's old CCW training/issuance requirements when they decided to add AZ.
AZ's old requirements were much stricter than AZ's current requirements.

Could be back room politics.

Who knows.

That would make more sense.

But if they looked at the current criteria you'd think they woulda realized what they were doing.

AZ accepts any states CCW as meeting training criteria (well accept for CA)

NV accepts AZ's permit.

This means essentially that NV accepts any states permit. When it comes to carry in NV.....AZ permit will become the new "UT permt". LOL

[Yugo]

I think one day (soon) with calguns and a few more lawsuits ALL the states will have the same process and ONE type of card and you will be able to apply anywhere and carry everywhere. I think this will happen sooner rather than later.

[CalBear]

That would make more sense.

But if they looked at the current criteria you'd think they woulda realized what they were doing.

AZ accepts any states CCW as meeting training criteria (well accept for CA)

NV accepts AZ's permit.

This means essentially that NV accepts any states permit. When it comes to carry in NV.....AZ permit will become the new "UT permt". LOL

I thought this at first, because I remember NV dropped Utah and Florida. But the more I think about it, I think the Sheriff's association knew what it was doing. For one, I don't think they're so stupid as to look at outdated Arizona law. SB 1108, which broadened the Arizona CCW requirements was signed into law over a year ago... Also, I think Arizona's CCW rules are, in fact, substantially similar to those found in NRS 202.3657. I'll explain.

First of all, recall why Nevada stopped acknowledging FL and UT in the first place:

• Utah doesn't require live fire training.
• Florida extended license expiration from 5 years to 7 years.

Yeah, that's right. Florida would still be valid had they not moved to 7 year permits.

Next, consider the Nevada CCW statutes. People usually assume the NRS says training must take place within the State to obtain a NV permit. This is simply not true.

Demonstrates competence with revolvers, each specific semiautomatic firearm to which the application pertains, or revolvers and each such semiautomatic firearm, as applicable, by presenting a certificate or other documentation to the sheriff which shows that the applicant:
(1) Successfully completed a course in firearm safety approved by a sheriff in this State; or
(2) Successfully completed a course in firearm safety offered by a federal, state or local law enforcement agency, community college, university or national organization that certifies instructors in firearm safety.

Such a course must include instruction in the use of revolvers, each semiautomatic firearm to which the application pertains, or revolvers and each such semiautomatic firearm and in the laws of this State relating to the use of a firearm. A sheriff may not approve a course in firearm safety pursuant to subparagraph (1) unless the sheriff determines that the course meets any standards that are established by the Nevada Sheriffs’ and Chiefs’ Association or, if the Nevada Sheriffs’ and Chiefs’ Association ceases to exist, its legal successor

Note that Nevada law is changing on October 1. The language regarding specific semiautomatic pistols has been removed. You now only need training with any revolver or semiautomatic.

Sounds familiar...

1. Completion of any firearms training program that is approved by the department of public safety and that is conducted by instructors who are authorized by the department of public safety or who possess current national rifle association instructor certifications in pistol and personal protection and who submit to a background investigation, including a check for warrants and a criminal history records check.

2. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class that is available to the general public, that is offered by a law enforcement agency, a junior college, a college or a private or public institution, academy, organization or firearms training school and that is approved by the department of public safety.

3. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Arizona game and fish department or a similar agency of another state.

4. Completion of any national rifle association firearms safety or training course.

5. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class that is offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies or other divisions or subdivisions of law enforcement or security enforcement and that is approved by the department of public safety.

6. Evidence of current military service or proof of honorable discharge or general discharge under honorable conditions from the United States armed forces.

7. A valid current or expired concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or license that is issued by another state or a political subdivision of another state and that has a training or testing requirement for initial issuance.

8. Completion of any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualification to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties.

9. Completion of any other firearms training that the department of public safety deems acceptable.

Arizona CCW requirements are clearly aimed at requiring some documentation of past actual experience with using firearms. They don't accept any and all state CCWs as sufficient documentation. They only accept ones form states with some live fire requirements. Arizona CCW requirements are substantially similar to Nevada's. With the addition of an online database of Arizona CCWs, Arizona is now in compliance with NRS 202.3689.

As a result, I would assume Arizona CCWs will be valid in Nevada as long as Arizona's CCW statutes remain substantially similar to Nevada's. If they increase the renewal period from 5 years, or if they remove any and all practical experience requirements, then Nevada might end reciprocity. Otherwise, go get your Arizona CCW. Technically, you shouldn't have to go get training in Nevada, either. Documentation of a course including live fire, such as NRA basic, should be sufficient to obtain a Nevada CCW, especially when the NRS changes on October 1 to eliminate any specific firearms requirements.