Trunk Gun Poll

[inbox485]

Exactly. Thank you for posting that. I'm glad we can now drive a stake through the heart of that "driving to and from the range" bullcrap FUD. Where did that even start?????!!!!

I comes from people that think they can carry a locked gun in their backpack while grocery shopping. 12026.2

[CSACANNONEER]

Exactly. Thank you for posting that. I'm glad we can now drive a stake through the heart of that "driving to and from the range" bullcrap FUD. Where did that even start?????!!!!

Sorry, I was thinking of RAWs. BTW, transporting RAWS is pretty much where the thought proccess started.

[The Director]

I comes from people that think they can carry a locked gun in their backpack while grocery shopping. 12026.2

Wait a minute...that's legal too....isn't it?

[inbox485]

Wait a minute...that's legal too....isn't it?

12026.1 gives clearance to transport a ULCC in a vehicle without stipulation about where to/from.

12026.2 gives additional clearance to transport a ULCC irregardless of the means of transportation under 20 enumerated circumstances (none of which include the grocery store):

a) Section 12025 does not apply to, or affect, any of the
following:
(1) The possession of a firearm by an authorized participant in a
motion picture, television, or video production or entertainment
event when the participant lawfully uses the firearm as part of that
production or event or while going directly to, or coming directly
from, that production or event.
(2) The possession of a firearm in a locked container by a member
of any club or organization, organized for the purpose of lawfully
collecting and lawfully displaying pistols, revolvers, or other
firearms, while the member is at meetings of the clubs or
organizations or while going directly to, and coming directly from,
those meetings.
(3) The transportation of a firearm by a participant when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a recognized safety or hunter
safety class, or a recognized sporting event involving that firearm.

(4) The transportation of a firearm by a person listed in Section
12026 directly between any of the places mentioned in Section 12026.

(5) The transportation of a firearm by a person when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a fixed place of business or
private residential property for the purpose of the lawful repair or
the lawful transfer, sale, or loan of that firearm.
(6) The transportation of a firearm by a person listed in Section
12026 when going directly from the place where that person lawfully
received that firearm to that person's place of residence or place of
business or to private property owned or lawfully possessed by that
person.
(7) The transportation of a firearm by a person when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a gun show, swap meet, or
similar event to which the public is invited, for the purpose of
displaying that firearm in a lawful manner.
(8) The transportation of a firearm by an authorized employee or
agent of a supplier of firearms when going directly to, or coming
directly from, a motion picture, television, or video production or
entertainment event for the purpose of providing that firearm to an
authorized participant to lawfully use as a part of that production
or event.
(9) The transportation of a firearm by a person when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a target range, which holds a
regulatory or business license, for the purposes of practicing
shooting at targets with that firearm at that target range.
(10) The transportation of a firearm by a person when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a place designated by a person
authorized to issue licenses pursuant to Section 12050 when done at
the request of the issuing agency so that the issuing agency can
determine whether or not a license should be issued to that person to
carry that firearm.
(11) The transportation of a firearm by a person when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a lawful camping activity for
the purpose of having that firearm available for lawful personal
protection while at the lawful campsite. This paragraph shall not be
construed to override the statutory authority granted to the
Department of Parks and Recreation or any other state or local
governmental agencies to promulgate rules and regulations governing
the administration of parks and campgrounds.
(12) The transportation of a firearm by a person in order to
comply with subdivision (c) or (i) of Section 12078 as it pertains to
that firearm.
(13) The transportation of a firearm by a person in order to
utilize subdivision (l) of Section 12078 as it pertains to that
firearm.
(14) The transportation of a firearm by a person when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a gun show or event, as defined
in Section 478.100 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations,
for the purpose of lawfully transferring, selling, or loaning that
firearm in accordance with subdivision (d) of Section 12072.
(15) The transportation of a firearm by a person in order to
utilize paragraph (6) of subdivision (a) of Section 12078 as it
pertains to that firearm.
(16) The transportation of a firearm by a person who finds the
firearm in order to comply with Article 1 (commencing with Section
2080) of Chapter 4 of Division 3 of the Civil Code as it pertains to
that firearm and if that firearm is being transported to a law
enforcement agency, the person gives prior notice to the law
enforcement agency that he or she is transporting the firearm to the
law enforcement agency.
(17) The transportation of a firearm by a person in order to
comply with paragraph (2) of subdivision (f) of Section 12072 as it
pertains to that firearm.
(18) The transportation of a firearm by a person who finds the
firearm and is transporting it to a law enforcement agency for
disposition according to law, if he or she gives prior notice to the
law enforcement agency that he or she is transporting the firearm to
the law enforcement agency for disposition according to law.
(19) The transportation of a firearm by a person in order to
comply with paragraph (3) of subdivision (f) of Section 12072 as it
pertains to that firearm.
(20) The transportation of a firearm by a person for the purpose
of obtaining an identification number or mark assigned for that
firearm from the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12092.
(b) In order for a firearm to be exempted under subdivision (a),
while being transported to or from a place, the firearm shall be
unloaded, kept in a locked container, as defined in subdivision (d),
and the course of travel shall include only those deviations between
authorized locations as are reasonably necessary under the
circumstances.
(c) This section does not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful
carrying or transportation of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person in accordance with this
chapter.
(d) As used in this section, "locked container" means a secure
container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, keylock,
combination lock, or similar locking device. The term "locked
container" does not include the utility or glove compartment of a
motor vehicle.

So if you're going to break 12025, go for broke and carry concealed. Throw in a 12031 and your golden (as in gold if you need it to defend your life / as in toast if you're caught in the mean time).

Yes that was a little crack at sarcasm. I don't advocate the breaking of any laws.

[The Director]

(c) This section does not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful
carrying or transportation of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person in accordance with this
chapter.

By this section alone I could carry LUCC in a grocery store if I felt like it...or any other place where firearms are not expressly prohibited.

[zman]

Exactly. Thank you for posting that. I'm glad we can now drive a stake through the heart of that "driving to and from the range" bullcrap FUD. Where did that even start?????!!!!

So let me get this straight.

If I had an unloaded HANDGUN that is legally registered to me and keep it PERMANENTLY in the trunk of my car like a tire jack, I am legal? What is CalGuns opinion on this?

[The Director]

So let me get this straight.

If I had an unloaded HANDGUN that is legally registered to me and keep it PERMANENTLY in the trunk of my car like a tire jack, I am legal? What is CalGuns opinion on this?

Paging Bweise, Hoffmang....

In the mean time, I say yes. And it doesn't even have to be "registered" to you. No need to add further complications to it as there is no required registration of handguns.

[zman]

From CalGunLaws.com :


Question-
Can I continually carry a handgun in my car in a locked container other than the utility or glove compartment for self-defense? I do not have a concealed weapons permit.

Answer-
No. The legal authorization to transport a concealed handgun without a permit unloaded and in a motor vehicle's trunk or a separate locked container in Penal Code Section 12026.1 applies only while going to or from the specific places, and for the specific purposes, identified in Penal Code Section 12026.2 (going hunting, to or from a range, etc.). It is illegal to carry a concealed handgun without a permit for general purposes, such as self defense, even though the firearm is transported in the trunk of a motor vehicle or in a separate locked container. Section 12026.1 is not very clear on this point, but Section 12026.2 is, so it is prudent to read them together. Again, handguns being lawfully transported concealed in a motor vehicle's trunk or in a separate locked container cannot be loaded nor can ammunition be attached to them in any manner.

Source-

http://www.calgunlaws.com/index.php/faq/65-transportation-of-firearms/271-can-i-continually-carry-a-handgun-in-my-car-in-a-locked-container-other-than-the-utility-or-glove-compartment-for-self-defense-i-do-not-have-a-concealed-weapons-permit.html

[bambam8d1]

From CalGunLaws.com :


Question-
Can I continually carry a handgun in my car in a locked container other than the utility or glove compartment for self-defense? I do not have a concealed weapons permit.

Answer-
No. The legal authorization to transport a concealed handgun without a permit unloaded and in a motor vehicle's trunk or a separate locked container in Penal Code Section 12026.1 applies only while going to or from the specific places, and for the specific purposes, identified in Penal Code Section 12026.2 (going hunting, to or from a range, etc.). It is illegal to carry a concealed handgun without a permit for general purposes, such as self defense, even though the firearm is transported in the trunk of a motor vehicle or in a separate locked container. Section 12026.1 is not very clear on this point, but Section 12026.2 is, so it is prudent to read them together. Again, handguns being lawfully transported concealed in a motor vehicle's trunk or in a separate locked container cannot be loaded nor can ammunition be attached to them in any manner.

Source-
http://www.calgunlaws.com/index.php/...ns-permit.html

How about a longgun?

[sd1023x]

Would a PG shotgun be considered concealable?

[CSACANNONEER]

So let me get this straight.

If I had an unloaded HANDGUN that is legally registered to me and keep it PERMANENTLY in the trunk of my car like a tire jack, I am legal? What is CalGuns opinion on this?

Aside from Ca law, the answer would still be NO! if you EVER go to the post office, a school campus or one of many other gun free zones it would be illegal on a Federal level.

[JaMail]

i drive a pickup, if i had a SU16 under the backseat in the folded position with a 10 round mag seated.

im thinking i would be ok. its a long gun, its in an unfireable position, and its not easily accessible. what i like about it, its a featureless rifle so you can use any prebans with it

comments?

[CSACANNONEER]

i drive a pickup, if i had a SU16 under the backseat in the folded position with a 10 round mag seated.

im thinking i would be ok. its a long gun, ............

The rest is meaningless UNLESS, you dive onto postal property, a school campus, etc. Apparently, even if you park close to a school but, off school property, you can be expelled (if you are a student) or possibly charged with a crime. So, be careful to know all the laws that pertain to the land you are driving over. This would apply anywhere in the country!

BTW, why don't you have a 30 round mag in the buttstock?

[a1c]

I've been thinking about keeping a JIC Mossberg in the back of the SUV, but it would technically require a lock when I go through school zones (the back of the Jeep GC is not a trunk, since it's accessible from the driver/passenger cabin).

Still, an option to consider.

[Bruce]

Does a Trunk Monkey count?

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