CA DROS Delay

[pacrat]

Maybe the FFL never even filed the DROS who knows, or they made up the numbers.
Since there is no way at least that I know of for us to go online (ie: DOJ website) to verify our DROS was actually submitted, then that could leave room for abuses.

If we have to depend on the FFL to tell us if we are undetermined, denied, approved, etc then they could tell us anything they want. No way to verify it but correct me if I'm wrong.

We don't have the exclusive access to the DOJ's-DES that FFLs have.

You didn't get a copy of the DROS at the time you bought the gun? Which has the exact release date 240 Hours in the future, right down to the minute? Clearly printed on top. When the 10 days is up?

I always have. Then a copy of the completed DROS at time of pick up.

Undetermined ... DOJ leaves it up to the FFL to inform the buyer. Some lazy bastards don't. They do send a letter by snail mail to the address on the DROS. Which of course always arrives after the customer has driven to the FFL to pick up his gun.

Denied ... They inform the FFL immediately. AND send a snail mail letter to the address of buyer listed on DROS.

Approved ... I believe they [DOJ] do nothing. Leaving the FFL free to release at date/time shown on DROS. Maybe the FFL gets an alert on their computer DES.

[pacrat]

I just got told by my local FFL that my 10 day wait was "delayed" and found this thread. I saw this comment, is that a phone number that I (a regular consumer/citizen) can call or does the FFL have to do it? I have bought two other long-guns in the past year or so (none anywhere near 30-days ago) so I don't see any reason why I went "delayed".

Any additional guidance would be great, I just want to bring the new toy home!

66nick .... FFLs have direct numbers to DOJ-BOF.

DOJ-BOF doesn't answer phones when lowly peons like you and me call them.

[ar15barrels]

If they don't have it in hand.
How do they get the Make-Model-Ser #-Caliber-Barrel Length- etc to file the DROS?

It's in their warehouse and in their computer system.
Turners will start a DROS without the actual gun in the specific STORE because the gun is in Turner's physical possession in the warehouse.
They have 10 days to move the gun to the specific store with the pending DROS so it's usually not a problem.

I suppose that problems can occurr when a gun is not properly apportioned to a specific store before the DROS is started and another store apportions that gun and then ALSO starts a DROS.

Having 32 stores and a central warehouse certainly makes them different than a one-location company but DOJ lets them do a DROS without the firearm in the actual store BECAUSE there is enough time to move the firearm before the release is due.

[pacrat]

It's in their warehouse and in their computer system.
Turners will start a DROS without the actual gun in the specific STORE because the gun is in Turner's physical possession in the warehouse.
They have 10 days to move the gun to the specific store with the pending DROS so it's usually not a problem.

I suppose that problems can occurr when a gun is not properly apportioned to a specific store before the DROS is started and another store apportions that gun and then ALSO starts a DROS.

Having 32 stores and a central warehouse certainly makes them different than a one-location company but DOJ lets them do a DROS without the firearm in the actual store BECAUSE there is enough time to move the firearm before the release is due.

OK, I agree.

Would have been more accurate to use "INVENTORY" rather than "hand".

If they don't have it in hand inventory.

But they MUST HAVE IT. They are not just making up numbers and measurements to put on an official document.

[CrossedRifles]

On Day 17 of my DROS delay. This is some serious bs.

[LMan57]

I'm on day 17 today as well..

[CrossedRifles]

I emailed the DOJ and they gave me this copypaste response. Talk about lack of even addressing any of my concerns..

Super Advanced DOJ Customer Service RobotHuman :

A DROS application can be delayed for many reasons. Most often it is because the background check found a record matching your personal descriptors (such as your name, date of birth, etc.) and more time is needed to verify that the record is yours and to obtain missing information needed to determine your eligibility to own or possess firearms.

Please be patient and allow the Department enough time to gather additional information and resolve any issues. The Department will notify the firearms dealer to delay the transfer of a firearm to a purchaser if the Department is unable to determine the purchaser’s eligibility within the 10-day waiting period.

Gee, what helpful service! Five stars! /s

[LMan57]

So it's don't call us don't bother us we will get to it when we get to it.

[naz]

I am about to pick up a ppt after 240hr… sorry to you guys getting delayed. Hope you’re able to get to the bottom of the situation

And tbh sorry for all of us that we have 240hr+ wait and not the 5min wait that it should be for the law abiding

[LMan57]

We need to compile a list of FFLs that don't release on undetermined it would be useful to all members.

[golfish]

OK, I agree.

Would have been more accurate to use "INVENTORY" rather than "hand".




But they MUST HAVE IT. They are not just making up numbers and measurements to put on an official document.

Turners changed policy 5 or so years ago. They must have the gun at the store before they can start the dros. They wouldn't even walk 50ft to the warehouse (Rancho Cucamonga store) and get the gun. It had to be in store. No more just taking the serial number from the computer.

It would seem that they have changed policy again. I looked at their ad last week. All the guns that I looked at were not in stock. I do believe that they are selling guns that they don't have any where. They're probably telling customers that the guns have shipped or some other BS.

[enorbit3]

We need to compile a list of FFLs that don't release on undetermined it would be useful to all members.

this would be perfect.

Guns Direct in burbank.
RTBA LA in Burbank.

Both DO NOT release on undetermined.

[Crazy Mark]

[Scratch705]

I hope my dros doesnt delay. And for those who are getting hit with restocking fee use your credit card chargeback if you paid with CC.

The store has zero defense to argue it since if the item never made it to your hands there should be zero reason for a restocking fee. And i believe most CC will side with you the customer than the store.

And once a store gets hit with enough chargebacks their standing with the processor takes a hit and they can be kicked out.

[ar15barrels]

Turners changed policy 5 or so years ago. They must have the gun at the store before they can start the dros. They wouldn't even walk 50ft to the warehouse (Rancho Cucamonga store) and get the gun. It had to be in store. No more just taking the serial number from the computer.

It would seem that they have changed policy again. I looked at their ad last week. All the guns that I looked at were not in stock. I do believe that they are selling guns that they don't have any where. They're probably telling customers that the guns have shipped or some other BS.

Sales and DROS is very different things.
They can SELL you a gun online without the actual gun in inventory but you will not be able to go to a store and DROS that gun until they get the gun in inventory.

They absolutely can not start the DROS without the information from the actual gun including make/model/caliber/serial.