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  • johnctokalenko
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2022
    • 13

    Originally posted by Creative300
    Except there is no law that allows the Dept of Injustice to delay and delay for no apparent reason, not even attempting to give you any reason for your delay. A government agency that doesn't bother to follow it's own laws is the very definition of corruption.


    If they can't do their job and provide you with a definitive answer (approved or denied) which is what you paid them to do then the very least they should do is refund you your DROS fee back, because you didn't get what you paid for. Otherwise it is nothing but outright theft.
    You get no arguments from me. But when does the government ever voluntarily refund anything for their incompetence/malfeasance, or even admit an error or a lie?

    The trouble is, the People have allowed all of this to happen. I don't mean by "voting wrong," either. I, for one, don't believe the "elections" are legit at all, long before 2020.

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    • HOGDOG1955
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 2401

      drosed a consigment pistol in first part of june,6 days in got doj delay. at end of 30 days it became undetermined and turners refunded my money minus dros fees. waited 30 days and drosed another pistol, 4 days in it goes to delay. about 2 weeks later i dros another consigmnment gun, 5 minutes after drosin it turners gets adoj release for the other one for me and i take it home. today was 10 days and picked up the consignemt gun with no issues. and in the middle of it all i spent almost 4 hours on hold to talk to doj for 5 minutes twice. and spent 65 bucks for a life scan. this state is so tryin to keep us from guns. rant over

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      • 81W
        Junior Member
        • Sep 2022
        • 9

        DROS 9/11/22 New Handgun
        Turner's informed me of delay 9/19/22
        10 Day Pick Up was 9/21/22
        Still Delayed as of 9/22/22

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        • pacrat
          I need a LIFE!!
          • May 2014
          • 10285

          Originally posted by DanWynn
          DROS 9/11/22 New Handgun
          TurD-ner's informed me of delay 9/19/22
          10 Day Pick Up was 9/21/22
          Still Delayed as of 9/22/22
          ^^^FIFY^^^

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          • Napalm Bulldog
            Veteran Member
            • Jun 2009
            • 4266

            Originally posted by pacrat
            Agree with Goldfish on this. I have multiple arrests, even one felony, NO CONVICTIONS. And I've never been delayed.

            For clarity, WHO DID YOU CALL, THAT MADE THOSE CLAIMS?

            FEDERALLY, When a FFL in AZ, runs a mandated NICS BG check. Vast majority clear in minutes. 3 DAYS is the maximum allowed for a NICS/FBI DELAY. If they can find nothing to prohibit the transfer in that time. THEY MUST approve the transfer.

            Not the 30 days codified in Crap O Fornica law. Here in Kali, it is the Ca-DOJ initiating the overwhelming number of delays.

            In Az, getting consistent FBI/NICS delays, suggests something is amiss in the NICS records. Were I you, I would request your FBI RAP sheet and check for yourself.

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            • Nick Adams
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 1329

              Originally posted by HOGDOG1955
              drosed a consigment pistol in first part of june,6 days in got doj delay. at end of 30 days it became undetermined and turners refunded my money minus dros fees. waited 30 days and drosed another pistol, 4 days in it goes to delay. about 2 weeks later i dros another consigmnment gun, 5 minutes after drosin it turners gets adoj release for the other one for me and i take it home. today was 10 days and picked up the consignemt gun with no issues. and in the middle of it all i spent almost 4 hours on hold to talk to doj for 5 minutes twice. and spent 65 bucks for a life scan. this state is so tryin to keep us from guns. rant over

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              • HOGDOG1955
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2012
                • 2401

                i dont know of a gun store under 50 miles from me here in salinas that sell consignment handguns that releases on undetermined.

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                • LMan57
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2013
                  • 839

                  Where is the list that will release on an undetermined DROS?
                  It's better to have and not need than to need and not have"

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                  • ar15barrels
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 57159

                    Originally posted by LMan57
                    Where is the list that will release on an undetermined DROS?
                    Randall Rausch

                    AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                    Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                    Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                    Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                    Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                    • 66nick
                      Junior Member
                      • Jun 2020
                      • 55

                      Originally posted by LMan57
                      Where is the list that will release on an undetermined DROS?
                      Hi!
                      ↓See below↓
                      Spreadsheet of FFLs that release on "Undetermined" status from DROS
                      Please help out by submitting FFLs in the below thread or submission form: CA Undetermined Friendly FFL Submission Form

                      Related CGN Thread here

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                      • 19K
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 3621

                        Originally posted by pacrat
                        ^^^^ FIFY ^^^^


                        YEAH THAT'S RIGHT
                        ...... It was perfectly legal for them to deliver your lawfully purchased firearm. Since they CHOSE to NOT DO SO, of their own volition. They committed a BREACH OF CONTRACT.

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                        • ar15barrels
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 57159

                          Originally posted by 19K
                          I don’t see where turners had a breach of contract when you sign a contract with then that states they will issue a refund for the firearm, told you dros fees are non refundable, and that they would not release the firearm to you if you are “undetermined”.
                          Pacrat thinks that "may" = "must".
                          He is trying to create an inferred contract that does not exist within the state laws.
                          Randall Rausch

                          AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                          Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                          Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                          • LMan57
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2013
                            • 839

                            Looking at the list upland is the closest FFL that will deliver with an undetermined 65 miles each way.
                            It's better to have and not need than to need and not have"

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                            • ar15barrels
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 57159

                              Originally posted by LMan57
                              Looking at the list upland is the closest FFL that will deliver with an undetermined 65 miles each way.
                              Start calling around to the smaller gun shops near you and asking them if they deliver on undetermined.
                              Report back to that thread with any "yes" responses you receive, and you will be helping to grow the list.
                              Randall Rausch

                              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                              Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                              Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                              • LMan57
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2013
                                • 839

                                Originally posted by ar15barrels
                                Start calling around to the smaller gun shops near you and asking them if they deliver on undetermined.
                                Report back to that thread with any "yes" responses you receive, and you will be helping to grow the list.
                                I will do that thanks..
                                It's better to have and not need than to need and not have"

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