CA DROS Delay

[66nick]

I think it is interesting that NOW they are in the business of selling guns but they were not 60 days ago?

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Agreed. While I wish that had been the case all along, I'm cautiously optimistic they use this time to reevaluate their store policies.

[LMan57]

Hopefully they will a change I think that judges ruling last week will make a big change.


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[Dc2 r guy]

I'm going through the same issue right now.
Did 2 separate private party transfers

8/5/22 - Dros
8/11/22 got the call from turners.
waiting on my letter from the DOJ


8/7/22 - Dros
8/15/22 - Got the call from ammo bros.
waiting on my letter from the DOJ

[ugimports]

I've got some *good* news. All these delays have actually caused my FFL/LGS to unofficially change their policy on "Undetermined".

When I first asked them about their policy, they said they did not release on undetermined. But now that the volume of delays/undetermined is way higher than they've ever seen, the rep said, "We aren't in the business of NOT selling guns." and they released my new toy to me.

Talk about a back-fire (if all the conspiracy theory stuff has a glimmer of truth).

Timelines, because I know some will ask.

- 06/13 Deposit placed, rifle ordered
- 06/24 rifle arrived, DROS/Transaction started
- 07/05 FFL told me I was "Delayed" (I had to go in, in-person to have them tell me)
- 08/13 I went into the FFL/LGS and learned they were being flexible on their normal policy and took delivery.
- 08/23 "Latest Delivery Date/Time" on DROS paperwork.

This is probably a LGS/FFL issue, but I got zero phone calls advising of the delay, or their flexibility of their policy. I did get the one letter from DOJ about the delay, but that came on/around 07/19, multiple weeks after I already knew I was delayed.

I think it is interesting that NOW they are in the business of selling guns but they were not 60 days ago?

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[66nick]

I've got some *good* news. All these delays have actually caused my FFL/LGS to unofficially change their policy on "Undetermined".

When I first asked them about their policy, they said they did not release on undetermined. But now that the volume of delays/undetermined is way higher than they've ever seen, the rep said, "We aren't in the business of NOT selling guns." and they released my new toy to me.

Talk about a back-fire (if all the conspiracy theory stuff has a glimmer of truth).

Timelines, because I know some will ask.

- 06/13 Deposit placed, rifle ordered
- 06/24 rifle arrived, DROS/Transaction started
- 07/05 FFL told me I was "Delayed" (I had to go in, in-person to have them tell me)
- 08/13 I went into the FFL/LGS and learned they were being flexible on their normal policy and took delivery.
- 08/23 "Latest Delivery Date/Time" on DROS paperwork.

This is probably a LGS/FFL issue, but I got zero phone calls advising of the delay, or their flexibility of their policy. I did get the one letter from DOJ about the delay, but that came on/around 07/19, multiple weeks after I already knew I was delayed.

[enorbit3]

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-wins-lawsuit-challenging-california-firearms-purchase-delays

Apparently FPC is taking the fight to CA overe these delays.

[pacrat]

this crap wit the doj is just wrong.my personal feelings are the delays and undetermineds are due to lazy or over whelmed employees and also the doj screwing with gun owners. in my case i got good news after this mess started back in june. i bought a used handgun from turners which after 7 days became delayed. at the end of 30 days it became undetermined and turners policy is to give the money back and not release on guns they sell. i then waited over 30 days and bought a new handgun from turners.. 4 das later doj sent them a delay. i waited a week or so and gave in and got a lifescan done and sent it to the doj firearms division. 5 days later i got my copy of the live scan results in the mail. nothing new or wrong. so last monday i called doj which took over 2 hours to get thru. the lady at doj told me it did no good to send them my life scan. i quized her on all this and politely told her this was wrong etc etc. then on friday i went to turners and put money on a consignment gun which is on 30 day hold. turners releases on undetermined if its a ppt. so got a nice out of production well cared for model 19 smith comin. im in the store not 10 minutes after paying my money and they tell me they just got a email alert from doj ending the delay and to release the gun to me. it sounds like the squeeky wheel gets the grease with doj. so i got the new 686 and waiting for the model 19 to clear. and wife didnt get mad,lol. i feel better but this is sheer bs what they are doing to us.

And the guy at the DOJ told me to do a live scan..

The LAZY WORTHLESS WASTE OF SPERM @ DOJ. Tell people to do a livescan, and pay to do your own BG Check. That you already paid them to do. With the mandatory DROS FEE. The statute gives them 10 days to do so. FEDS do it in a matter of minutes. If DELAYED, [which many are] that gives them another 20 days to sit on their hands and collect their paychecks.

Then the same LAZY WORTHLESS WASTE OF SPERM tell you after wasting 2 hr on phn;.

the lady at doj told me it did no good to send them my life scan.

So why have you do it? Just more WORTHLESS WASTE OF SPERM DELAY TACTICS.



ARE YOU PARANOID, IF YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE GUBERMINT IS OUT TO SCREW YOU?

I think not.

[LMan57]

this crap wit the doj is just wrong.my personal feelings are the delays and undetermineds are due to lazy or over whelmed employees and also the doj screwing with gun owners. in my case i got good news after this mess started back in june. i bought a used handgun from turners which after 7 days became delayed. at the end of 30 days it became undetermined and turners policy is to give the money back and not release on guns they sell. i then waited over 30 days and bought a new handgun from turners.. 4 das later doj sent them a delay. i waited a week or so and gave in and got a lifescan done and sent it to the doj firearms division. 5 days later i got my copy of the live scan results in the mail. nothing new or wrong. so last monday i called doj which took over 2 hours to get thru. the lady at doj told me it did no good to send them my life scan. i quized her on all this and politely told her this was wrong etc etc. then on friday i went to turners and put money on a consignment gun which is on 30 day hold. turners releases on undetermined if its a ppt. so got a nice out of production well cared for model 19 smith comin. im in the store not 10 minutes after paying my money and they tell me they just got a email alert from doj ending the delay and to release the gun to me. it sounds like the squeeky wheel gets the grease with doj. so i got the new 686 and waiting for the model 19 to clear. and wife didnt get mad,lol. i feel better but this is sheer bs what they are doing to us.

And the guy at the DOJ told me to do a live scan..

[HOGDOG1955]

this crap wit the doj is just wrong.my personal feelings are the delays and undetermineds are due to lazy or over whelmed employees and also the doj screwing with gun owners. in my case i got good news after this mess started back in june. i bought a used handgun from turners which after 7 days became delayed. at the end of 30 days it became undetermined and turners policy is to give the money back and not release on guns they sell. i then waited over 30 days and bought a new handgun from turners.. 4 das later doj sent them a delay. i waited a week or so and gave in and got a lifescan done and sent it to the doj firearms division. 5 days later i got my copy of the live scan results in the mail. nothing new or wrong. so last monday i called doj which took over 2 hours to get thru. the lady at doj told me it did no good to send them my life scan. i quized her on all this and politely told her this was wrong etc etc. then on friday i went to turners and put money on a consignment gun which is on 30 day hold. turners releases on undetermined if its a ppt. so got a nice out of production well cared for model 19 smith comin. im in the store not 10 minutes after paying my money and they tell me they just got a email alert from doj ending the delay and to release the gun to me. it sounds like the squeeky wheel gets the grease with doj. so i got the new 686 and waiting for the model 19 to clear. and wife didnt get mad,lol. i feel better but this is sheer bs what they are doing to us.

[LMan57]

[QUOTE=Undertaker;27163852]

A long time but you're getting it congrats.[/QUOTE

Yes I did! It's a Henry 45/70 too.

[Undertaker]

[QUOTE=LMan57;27160824]A long time but you're getting it congrats.[/QUOTE

Yes I did! It's a Henry 45/70 too.

[LMan57]

So I picked up my rifle on Tuesday, the 9th of August. 54 days! Fing dirtbags!

A long time but you're getting it congrats.

[Undertaker]

So I picked up my rifle on Tuesday, the 9th of August. 54 days! Fing dirtbags!

[The Gleam]

It all makes sense now. the state was screwing with people

I've been saying that since about this time last year.

The 'overwhelmed/understaffed' ploy was a cute excuse they used during the first few months of the COVID-phobic shamdemic panic gun buying spree, a plausible cannard for their underground gun control scheme, but after about August 2021, there simply was no reasonable explanation for the 'delay/undetermined' ruse the DOJ had been orchestrating, at Bonta's direction and instruction.

Between that and the CCW PPI release, among other manipulation tactics that have been pulled these past few years that started with Harris and really ramped up under Bonta, it's clear there is an unethical abuse of power and disregard for civil rights that should be investigated by a formal grand jury or Federal authority.

I have little doubt that Bonta and his DOJ staff have emails discussing these issues in a bias, snide tone; it would be interesting to see exactly what those have to say.

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[LMan57]

Not to mention upon the first delay I applied and received my COE. Thinking that would help things. NOPE got delayed again. After this case came out today. it all makes sense now. the state was screwing with people

And I am out $$ the original DROS fees and two live scans time and so on.