7 days and counting. DROS delayed.

[The Gleam]

This is also happening to me AGAIN . bought a rifle last year in June got delayed 34 days . I have bought ammo since then with the "background check" no problems.

A gun auction-house/gun store rep very savvy on legislation in CA, very FUD-free, explained to me some time ago that the $1.00 erroneosly called "background check" existing gun owners do when buying ammo is not an actual background check - it's merely checking that you are attached to a previous record in the AFS database, and nothing more.

It does not check conviction/court records, mental-health facility records, warrants, TRO filings, whatever and etc.

The $19.00 check does that if you are not already in AFS, but not the $1.00 version.

With that in mind, it's just a money grab, even if it's only $1.00.

That still may not mean a damned thing for your situation, but just wanted to note that one can't rely on the $1.00 ammo "AFS Check" (as it should reslly be called) for corroboration there are no other issues that would cause a delay on a 'real' background check.

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[SkyHawk]

You know what I think it might be this time is that I have been restoring a 1972 Taylor Dunn good cart and have been doing tons of sanding . My fingers are pretty much bald . Be interesting to know if the OP has done or does something similar .

They don't process your fingerprint as part of the background check. It is only kept as a record in case there is ever any question who really picked up the gun.

The fingerprint is only supposed to be taken during pickup, though many FFLs will take it before and after. In any case, it is never sent to DOJ

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A gun auction-house/gun store rep very savvy on legislation in CA, very FUD-free, explained to me some time ago that the $1.00 erroneosly called "backgrouncheck" existing gun owners do when buying ammo is not an actual background check - it's merely checking that you are attached to a previous record in the AFS database, and nothing more.

It does not check conviction/court records, mental-health facility records, warrants, TRO filings, whatever and etc.

The $19.00 check does that if you are not already in AFS, but not the $1.00 version.

With that in mind, it's just a money grab, even if it's only $1.00.

That still may not mean a damned thing for your situation, but just wanted to note that one can't rely on the $1.00 ammo "AFS Check" (as it should reslly be called) for corroboration there are no other issues that would cause a delay on a 'real' background check.

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Good to know . What was I thinking , assuming that my name being on that afs list as a firearm owner would do anything to verify me being a firearm arm owner that could be checked therefore maybe speeding things up a little . Common sense would dictate that
1 . Being someone that already owns firearms the 10 day wait or cooling off period is pointless
2 .being that I am on the books as a firearm owner along with the FSC ,all the proof of identity and residency ,and instant check to see if I have become a prohibited person since my last purchase would not take any time at all . But that would be efficient and not as expensive . And that would also give up the possiblity of more revenue from the people that pay for all the additional forms that don't really speed things up in my opinion . And we all know that efficiency in the areas of time and cost are not in the government vocabulary.

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They don't process your fingerprint as part of the background check. It is only kept as a record in case there is ever any question who really picked up the gun.

The fingerprint is only supposed to be taken during pickup, though many FFLs will take it before and after. In any case, it is never sent to DOJ

Heaven forbid they actually use that info to achieve the supposed objective . Which is supposed to be a process that puts the least burden on the citizen while they do a simple check . They have my soc sec # ,my driver's license ,proof of residency. They know exactly who I am and have access to everything.about me. This 30 day wait is on purpose and should be considered as an infringement on my constitutional rights .
And what makes it worse is that if they happen to read a negative comments out them here they can find out who you are and deny, make you jump through firey hoops spend more money just to say months.down the road that "whoops we made aistake . Sorry about that.
The amount of money generated from all the fees
provide a modern system that would prevent delays all together.

[pacrat]

I've found a few already.

GOOD, patronize them. And PUBLICLY OUT ANY WHO REFUSE TO FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW!

IMHO, [bit of a rant]

The relationship between a customer and a LGS. SHOULD BE SYMBIOTIC. Wherein both parties benefit from the relationship.

ANY FFL that wrongly refuses to "ROU" is not a friend, or have a patrons best interest in mind. As a matter of fact, they are ignorant Aholes who fear shadows of litigation that are non-existent.

And due to their own unreasoned and unfounded fear, they deny their customers the right to pick up lawfully purchased firearms. And have no respect for a patrons TIME, MONEY, or 2A right of ownership.

There is ABSOFREAK'NLUTELY ZERO LEGAL downside for a FFL which Delivers after UNDETERMINED STATUS is established by DOJ.


The wording of 28220 (f)(4). [undetermined]; Enacted in 2014.

EXACTLY MIRRORS the wording of 28220(f)(A) [approved]; Which was enacted in 1991.

Quote:
the department shall immediately notify the dealer and the dealer may then immediately transfer the firearm to the purchaser,

Had the legislature in 2013 meant to distinguish between (f)(A) other than the obvious 10 day wait, 30 day wait difference in (f)(4). They had 23 yrs to change at least a few words.

[The Gleam]

Good to know . What was I thinking , assuming that my name being on that afs list as a firearm owner would do anything to verify me being a firearm arm owner that could be checked therefore maybe speeding things up a little . Common sense would dictate that
1 . Being someone that already owns firearms the 10 day wait or cooling off period is pointless
2 .being that I am on the books as a firearm owner along with the FSC ,all the proof of identity and residency ,and instant check to see if I have become a prohibited person since my last purchase would not take any time at all . But that would be efficient and not as expensive . And that would also give up the possiblity of more revenue from the people that pay for all the additional forms that don't really speed things up in my opinion . And we all know that efficiency in the areas of time and cost are not in the government vocabulary.

Agree - the whole thing is asinine, a money grab, and intimidation tactics to simply make buying a firearm a chore, uneccessarily.

I'm 100% with you on the superfluous 10-day wait; I think they have a separate database just for me within AFS, and I still have to jump through that hoop - just nonsense.

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Agree - the whole thing is asinine, a money grab, and intimidation tactics to simply make buying a firearm a chore, uneccessarily.

I'm 100% with you on the superfluous 10-day wait; I think they have a separate database just for me within AFS, and I still have to jump through that hoop - just nonsense.

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What I find odd is that my status went to delayed on the 7fh day not on the tenth . So that tells me that it automatically went to delayed and they probably won't even be checking my info out . Just auto wait 30 days and undetermined . Hoping that the buyer gives up ,or the criminal gets nervous and disappears. And then they count on the chicken sheet GS won't ROU. So in all actuality it is not a ten day wait with background check it's a auto matic 30 day wait by default because they don't have either the man power or tech capabilities to keep up with the amount purchases . Which then asks the question what are they doing with all the fee money ? Because it sure isn't being used to benifit those of us who provide that revenue . Most likely it is being used to pad pockets and grease palms of other programs or replace the money that robbed from peter to pay Paul for helping out with making the recall which took a significant amount of signatures to even get moving . But then all those signatures were somehow missing in action when the vote took place . And 12000 votes just found back east . Why is it that only democrats find lost or missing ballots .? And always at the 12am - 4am time slot .
People cannot be that gullible .
How much longer will everyone allow these wrong doings to always be taken further . The corner must be turned eventually. Sorry a bit off topic .. but it all comes down to the FACT that the system we finance and believe and trust to work in our best interest is In FACT being used AGAINST US at every turn .

[Rakso]

The next real question is, will all my future DROS come back as undetermined?
I'm about to find out.

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The next real question is, will all my future DROS come back as undetermined?
I'm about to find out.

That's what my gun shop guy was telling me .he was saying that people are getting them over and over again and then all the sudden they don't .
He said yeah it's weird because like how I'm getting like one delayed right after the other he's been seeing that all the sudden after that pattern they start going through without delayed on pretty much within the 10 day time frame . No rhyme or reason

[Dan_Eastvale]

DOJ understaffed (fired for no vax)?
DOJ employees terrified and "working" from home?
A lot of room for error.

[The Gleam]

That's what my gun shop guy was telling me .he was saying that people are getting them over and over again and then all the sudden they don't.

He said yeah it's weird because like how I'm getting like one delayed right after the other he's been seeing that all the sudden after that pattern they start going through without delayed on pretty much within the 10 day time frame. No rhyme or reason

Bonta: underground spite and vendetta.

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DOJ understaffed (fired for no vax)?
DOJ employees terrified and "working" from home?
A lot of room for error.

Have you heard that Newsome has been mysteriously out of public view due to family matters? I find it kinda weird that he went "missing" the day after he got a booster shot . Coincidence or phenomena?

[Rakso]

Another thing I want to get off my chest is that why is it when actions are taken to remove freedoms or restrict freedom it happens overnight anytime actions are taken to replace that freedom or reinstall that freedom it can take months sometimes years that bothers me just saying I don't like that

Make a other thread for that question.

[SharedShots]

Agree - the whole thing is asinine, a money grab, and intimidation tactics to simply make buying a firearm a chore, uneccessarily.

I'm 100% with you on the superfluous 10-day wait; I think they have a separate database just for me within AFS, and I still have to jump through that hoop - just nonsense.

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Closer to the mark than you might think.

Eventually, most computerized systems will be compromised, robo-hacked and nearly useless for their intended purpose. Not to get too off topic but these licensing and check computer are ripe for infiltration and manipulation if they aren't already.

This has always been a fear, that these government systems which can allow or deny a persons freedom to exercise their rights becomes weaponized and just voicing an opinion counter to the cancel culture can mean you can't do a lot of things.

On another note, when you get mail with someone else's name but your address don't just toss it away. It can easily be someone using your address for bad things. Make a record of the name, the company or person sending the letter (usually a company) because one day you might find things getting matched up by addresses and unfortunate things start happening to you.

When its a company, contact them, you do not need to give your name, block your call ID and so on. Tell them the person they are sending mail to at XandX address does not live there and have them correct their records.

Many ID tracking systems now use addresses to create "associated with" entries. Think about the ramifications so it's in your best interest to not just ignore those things and toss them or return them without taking some action.

TIP: If you have a mailbox on the street in front of your house, get the kind where once the mail is put inside no one else can just open the lid and take it out. It should have a key locked section only you can access. Why? Because someone can use your address, they know then mail in their name but your address is going to hit and then they just go by and pick it up.

Seriously, how much would it take for cross linked nonsense to impact your gun rights? Not much and as you should know most government agencies act first and ask questions later and you must prove you innocence. With automatic Opt-in (thanks to Congress) you can be signed up for all kinds of things by default and with that a lot of due process went out the window at the same time.

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Closer to the mark than you might think.

Eventually, most computerized systems will be compromised, robo-hacked and nearly useless for their intended purpose. Not to get too off topic but these licensing and check computer are ripe for infiltration and manipulation if they aren't already.

This has always been a fear, that these government systems which can allow or deny a persons freedom to exercise their rights becomes weaponized and just voicing an opinion counter to the cancel culture can mean you can't do a lot of things.

On another note, when you get mail with someone else's name but your address don't just toss it away. It can easily be someone using your address for bad things. Make a record of the name, the company or person sending the letter (usually a company) because one day you might find things getting matched up by addresses and unfortunate things start happening to you.

When its a company, contact them, you do not need to give your name, block your call ID and so on. Tell them the person they are sending mail to at XandX address does not live there and have them correct their records.

Many ID tracking systems now use addresses to create "associated with" entries. Think about the ramifications so it's in your best interest to not just ignore those things and toss them or return them without taking some action.

TIP: If you have a mailbox on the street in front of your house, get the kind where once the mail is put inside no one else can just open the lid and take it out. It should have a key locked section only you can access. Why? Because someone can use your address, they know then mail in their name but your address is going to hit and then they just go by and pick it up.

Seriously, how much would it take for cross linked nonsense to impact your gun rights? Not much and as you should know most government agencies act first and ask questions later and you must prove you innocence. With automatic Opt-in (thanks to Congress) you can be signed up for all kinds of things by default and with that a lot of due process went out the window at the same time.

Excellent advice . Thank you .
Another side note , tomorrow would be my tenth day . A day that would reunite me with the expensive piece of property that I legally purchased and am "allowed" to own under constitutional right . They are playing an authoritarian based game of keep away.