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  • #16
    ohsmily
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2005
    • 8962

    Originally posted by OlderThanDirt
    I'm assuming they meant that the firearm in question is in their stolen firearm database. Your personal information should have nothing to do with a stolen firearm unless you were previously arrested for stealing a firearm.

    In this case, you just received stolen property, so your sentence will be relatively short, maybe even probation and a 10 year firearm ownership prohibition.
    It's not. He misread the letter. Almost certainly something on his background whether erroneous or valid. We'll see when/if he posts a photo of the body of the letter.
    Last edited by ohsmily; 10-12-2021, 11:12 PM.
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    • #17
      Rakso
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2019
      • 1323

      Originally posted by ohsmily
      That is boilerplate language in a standard letter they send to people.

      It says your info may have matched to a criminal record or the firearm may be stolen. You need to order a copy of your Rap Sheet ASAP.
      How do I order the Rap sheet?
      From FBI? or from DOJ?

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      • #18
        Rakso
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2019
        • 1323

        Originally posted by OlderThanDirt
        I'm assuming they meant that the firearm in question is in their stolen firearm database. Your personal information should have nothing to do with a stolen firearm unless you were previously arrested for stealing a firearm.

        In this case, you just received stolen property, so your sentence will be relatively short, maybe even probation and a 10 year firearm ownership prohibition.

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        • #19
          The Gleam
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2011
          • 12694

          More than likely... a typographical error, that could be on either end of the information spectrum, whether on the DROS or within DOJ's files.

          Bet this all plays out to prove innocuous and inconsequential.

          I had something similar like this arise several years ago and it was a typo, with all resolved before the 30 days was over. Now that may prove challenging to resolve quickly these days in the throws of the shamdemic and a robustly new even more anti-2nd Amendment regime at the helm, but the eventual outcome will likely be vapor, even if it takes longer to evaporate.

          Good luck.

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          Originally posted by Librarian
          What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

          If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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          • #20
            OlderThanDirt
            FUBAR
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Jun 2009
            • 5944

            Originally posted by Rakso
            You do know that was a joke at your expense?
            We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying. ~ Solzhenitsyn
            Thermidorian Reaction . . Prepare for it.

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            • #21
              ohsmily
              Calguns Addict
              • Apr 2005
              • 8962

              Originally posted by Rakso
              How do I order the Rap sheet?
              From FBI? or from DOJ?
              California
              Expert firearms attorney: https://www.rwslaw.com/team/adam-j-richards/

              Check out https://www.firearmsunknown.com/. Support a good calgunner local to San Diego.

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              • #22
                Rakso
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2019
                • 1323

                Originally posted by The Gleam
                More than likely... a typographical error, that could be on either end of the information spectrum, whether on the DROS or within DOJ's files.

                Bet this all plays out to prove innocuous and inconsequential.

                I had something similar like this arise several years ago and it was a typo, with all resolved before the 30 days was over. Now that may prove challenging to resolve quickly these days in the throws of the shamdemic and a robustly new even more anti-2nd Amendment regime at the helm, but the eventual outcome will likely be vapor, even if it takes longer to evaporate.

                Good luck.

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                Thanks

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                • #23
                  Rakso
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2019
                  • 1323

                  Update, the letter:
                  "Your recent firearm purchase application is being delayed because the department has identified state and/or federal records matching your identifying information or a stolen firearm record that if confirmed would prohibit the purchase"

                  "This determination was based upon information provided in your application to purchase a firearm, .... but has not been confirmed with fingerprint comparison. It is possible that the prohibition record may not be yours and may belong to a another individual whose name and identifying information is similar to yours"

                  "Regardless, de department is required to make its determination within 30 calendar days. If the department is unable to make a determination in this time, the dealer will he notified and may deliver the firearm(s) to you at his/her discretion."

                  "If you wish to challenge the accuracy of the department determination or the completeness of your criminal history, please complete a request for live scan, ...."

                  Dated Oct 2nd, 11 days ago. 19 to go. Not feeling optimistic about this.

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                  • #24
                    ohsmily
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 8962

                    Originally posted by Rakso
                    Update, the letter:
                    "Your recent firearm purchase application is being delayed because the department has identified state and/or federal records matching your identifying information or a stolen firearm record that if confirmed would prohibit the purchase"

                    "This determination was based upon information provided in your application to purchase a firearm, .... but has not been confirmed with fingerprint comparison. It is possible that the prohibition record may not be yours and may belong to a another individual whose name and identifying information is similar to yours"

                    "Regardless, de department is required to make its determination within 30 calendar days. If the department is unable to make a determination in this time, the dealer will he notified and may deliver the firearm(s) to you at his/her discretion."

                    "If you wish to challenge the accuracy of the department determination or the completeness of your criminal history, please complete a request for live scan, ...."

                    Dated Oct 2nd, 11 days ago. 19 to go. Not feeling optimistic about this.
                    Right. As I said, you misread the letter. This is the standard letter they send to anyone who is being delayed due to potentional prohibiting record OR a stolen firearm. In most of the cases I have dealt with, the issue is the person's record, not a stolen firearm. Hence my recommendation to order a copy of your rap sheet.
                    Last edited by ohsmily; 10-13-2021, 5:43 PM.
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                    • #25
                      Rakso
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2019
                      • 1323

                      Originally posted by ohsmily
                      Right. As I said, you misread the letter. This is the standard letter they send to anyone who is being delayed due to potentional prohibiting record OR a stolen firearm. In most of the cases I have dealt with, the issue is the person's record, not a stolen firearm. Hence my recommendation to order a copy of your rap sheet.
                      Understood.

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                      • #26
                        My600
                        Member
                        • Oct 2020
                        • 183

                        I am sure I understand the whole situation.

                        Did you buy the gun NEW from a FFL? or did you buy from a Private (PPT)?

                        Thanks

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                        • #27
                          Rakso
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2019
                          • 1323

                          Originally posted by My600
                          I am sure I understand the whole situation.

                          Did you buy the gun NEW from a FFL? or did you buy from a Private (PPT)?

                          Thanks
                          New from FFL. As of today no update yet. I'm gonna call them later this week..

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                          • #28
                            The Gleam
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 12694

                            Originally posted by Rakso
                            New from FFL. As of today no update yet. I'm gonna call them later this week..
                            Really look over all the details of the copy of your DROS - make sure everything is correct. Now that they swipe your DL for the information, it's less likely there's a mistake, but still worth seeing if anything was truncated, or the information doesn't accurately reflect some other detail.

                            For that matter, when was the last time you had a succesful DROS go through without a problem? Have you had any unfortunate legal circumstances arise since that time that may have had some less than obvious repercussion?

                            I'm still thinking typographical error on some far flung record at the DOJ that has absolutely nothing to do with you - but these are troglodyte flow-chart followers that regularly trip over their bottom lip walking up a flight of stairs. Common sense and accuracy are not prerequisites for the job, let alone that the majority of their brood are Anti-2nd Amendment cucks, starting at the top, for over 2 decades since Lockyer.

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                            Last edited by The Gleam; 10-20-2021, 7:46 PM.
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                            Originally posted by Librarian
                            What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                            If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                            • #29
                              Rakso
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2019
                              • 1323

                              Originally posted by The Gleam
                              Really look over all the details of the copy of your DROS - make sure everything is correct. Now that they swipe your DL for the information, it's less likely there's a mistake, but still worth seeing if anything was truncated, or the information doesn't accurately reflect some other detail.

                              For that matter, when was the last time you had a succesful DROS go through without a problem? Have you had any unfortunate legal circumstances arise since that time that may have had some less than obvious repercussion?

                              I'm still thinking typographical error on some far flung record at the DOJ that has absolutely nothing to do with you - but these are troglodyte flow-chart followers that regularly trip over their bottom lip walking up a flight of stairs. Common sense and accuracy are not prerequisites for the job, let alone that the majority of their brood are Anti-2nd Amendment cucks, starting at the top, for over 2 decades since Lockyer.

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                              This is the first time this happens to me in my lifetime. I already compared the DROS papers with a few old ones from two different FFLS, the information matches. I bought a rifle at the same FFL without issues not too long ago.

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                              • #30
                                ohsmily
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Apr 2005
                                • 8962

                                Originally posted by Rakso
                                This is the first time this happens to me in my lifetime. I already compared the DROS papers with a few old ones from two different FFLS, the information matches. I bought a rifle at the same FFL without issues not too long ago.
                                You're possibly going to need an attorney. I recommend Michel & Associates (especially of-counsel Jason Davis), Bruce Colodny, or myself at (916)399-3486 adam@ajrlaw.net I also happen to be an FFL 01 and SOT. I transfer on undetermined status upon review of the rap sheet and my determination therein.
                                Expert firearms attorney: https://www.rwslaw.com/team/adam-j-richards/

                                Check out https://www.firearmsunknown.com/. Support a good calgunner local to San Diego.

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