POLYMER80 Raided by ATF

[warbird]

It is only going to get worse so be prepared. Always deal in cash and go and anything electronic can lead right back to you. Why do you think the government wants to get rid of cash and go to electronic money. Easy to track you and to wipe out any money you have with one flick of a button. I wish I had a bunch of "old leaky " boats to sell.

[jeffyhog]

My local gun store sells complete, finished, serialized Polymer80 pistols. The raid may be unrelated to the 80% parts.

Edit- these are not parts assembled by the store, they are finished pistols direct from the manufacturer.

[wpage]

ATF may be gearing up for the new push...

[rlewpolar]

[Uncivil Engineer]

The raid was over the complete build kit. This looks like a planned tactical defeat by ATF. If the frame is legal how can including our in a bundle of other legal parts make it illegal. Are we going to say "constructive possession" is now a crime for otherwise legal guns? That would make any length of pipe an illegal shotgun.
My guess is the ATF is playing the long con here. Look like they are trying to stop "ghost guns" knowingly fail and try to use that to leverage support for Congress write new laws or at least support new XOs.

[M1NM]

You can order 80% lowers every day in CA. Mo one is going to knock on the door. They are still legal despite you saying they are a "NO-GO".

Back when silencer kits were a big deal everyone said the same thing. The company kept no records - but UPS did and everyone they shipped to got a visit. A friend in CT got a knock on the door. He explained that the product was junk and he tossed it in the trash. They explained how easy it was to find things hidden in an attic with a metal detector. After they left the item was disposed of.
This was a fishing expedition to gain data for law to ban 80%. They will compare all names and say look 30% of buyers are criminals.

[Dirk Tungsten]

My local gun store sells complete, finished, serialized Polymer80 pistols. The raid may be unrelated to the 80% parts.

Yikes. This is just asking for trouble, especially if they don't have a manufacturing ffl

[divingin]

They went after the company in San Diego that had the polymer lowers with a softer embedded polymer to make milling fcg pocket easier. They were all illegal. This was years ago when the went after companies and people that thought you just had to push a button to finish an 80

Curious as to what made that illegal. Until they were milled to receive the additional parts, it's just an oddly shaped piece of plastic.

[sigstroker]

President Trump needs to fire the Acting ATF Director B*tch NOW!!

[bugsy714]

Curious as to what made that illegal. Until they were milled to receive the additional parts, it's just an oddly shaped piece of plastic.

I think the logic was that they first created the complete lower and then filled it with resin. The argument behind an 80% lower is that it has never crossed the 80% completion threshold which these ones did and where then filled


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[Monterey Gun]

First, I've heard of this. I've got a few 80% builds myself. This is crap.

[Monterey Gun]

This is just the beginning lads.

[pdsmith505]

I think the logic was that they first created the complete lower and then filled it with resin. The argument behind an 80% lower is that it has never crossed the 80% completion threshold which these ones did and where then filled


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On those lowers it was the other way around...

Plastic that occupied the FCG space was created first, then put in the mold for the rest of the lower. Lower was injection molded around the plug.

[John Browning]

First, I've heard of this. I've got a few 80% builds myself. This is crap.

You better be ready, because 80% builds aren't legal in CA and haven't been for a long time, longer than P80 has been around.

[Notpc]

And where is the national and state militias ready to fight?

Left is highly organized

Right is unorganized and has no good leadership.

Or better at keeping their mouths shut. You know, "Fight Club" and such........