PPT pay method

[kemasa]

Legally, paying does change ownership. Dealing with a failed background is a completely different situation, having nothing to do with a completed sales transaction. In a failed background, the firearm does not "have to be returned to the seller". The seller can walk away with no penalty or responsibility.



Sale
An agreement by which one of the contracting parties, called the seller, gives a thing and passes the title to it, in exchange for a certain price in current money, to the other party, who is called the buyer or purchaser, who, on his part, agrees to pay such price.


Unless there is specific language in a sales agreement that allows for a "failed transaction" do to a third party action, the buyer owns the gun when he pays the seller.

Now California law may allow the return of a gun to the seller, but it does not require it.

The buyer owns the gun, but cannot take possession of it do to California law. The buyer can negotiate with the gun shop to sell it for him on consignment or buy it outright.

You are ignoring the passing title, which is what the transfer is.

You are also ignoring, even though it has been pointed out to you, what the CA PC says. In the case of a CA PPT, to follow the law, there are only 2 choices, back to the seller or to the police. Consignment or buying it isn't a legal option.

[kemasa]

You are adding a completely different sales transaction talking about a dealer order. Read the penal code again, it does not require the return to the seller, it allows for the return or the surrender to the police.

As previously stated, the seller walks away with no responsibility.

You are missing the point. You claim that just paying changes ownership, my response shows that it doesn't work that way. Just because you paid, does immediately change ownership.

Can't you read? Every time I said back to the seller or to the police. You need to re-read what I said and stop making false claims.

[003]

You are ignoring the passing title, which is what the transfer is.

You are also ignoring, even though it has been pointed out to you, what the CA PC says. In the case of a CA PPT, to follow the law, there are only 2 choices, back to the seller or to the police. Consignment or buying it isn't a legal option.

Passing title is the legal term for completing a sale, It is completed when the seller passes title to the buyer. "The hand shake." This has nothing to do with a third party (the State of California) unless there is specific contract language stating the buyer must pass a state requirement.

As stated, read the penal code again, it does not require the gun be returned to the seller, it allows for it to be returned. If not returned then it goes to the police.

Once again, the seller can walk away with no issues.

[kemasa]

Passing title is the legal term for completing a sale, It is completed when the seller passes title to the buyer. "The hand shake." This has nothing to do with a third party (the State of California) unless there is specific contract language stating the buyer must pass a state requirement.

As stated, read the penal code again, it does not require the gun be returned to the seller, it allows for it to be returned. If not returned then it goes to the police.

Once again, the seller can walk away with no issues.

The sale isn't completed with firearms until the required transfer is done. The same as with a vehicle, the title doesn't transfer on a handshake.

Why is it that you keep saying the same false claim over and over? Reading comprehension problems? As said, I don't need to read the CA PC as I correctly stated what it says, yet you seem to be constantly falsely claiming otherwise, which shows that no one should listen to a thing that you say.

[003]

Kemasa:

It appears we are never going to agree on this issue. I suggest before we get to name calling and discussing each others parental heritage we call it a draw. Love to buy you a beer and "argue" about something else while eating a good BBQ somewhere. What part of the county? East county here.

Dick

[kemasa]

Kemasa:

It appears we are never going to agree on this issue. I suggest before we get to name calling and discussing each others parental heritage we call it a draw. Love to buy you a beer and "argue" about something else while eating a good BBQ somewhere. What part of the county? East county here.

Dick

East as well, sorry you don't agree on reality. Still no apology for the false claims. I don't resort to name calling or talking about parents. Good BBQ is hard to find.

[jimmykan]

I prefer bitcoin.

[ARFrog]

Cash.

Where possible I use a firearms purchase agreement that both parties sign. It spells out rights and responsibilities of both sides, terms, conditions of ownership, DROS, payment etc.

I find that the Sellers I purchase from for C&R seem to like it as "more professional" in addition to just the FFL03 and COE paperwork. Maybe it is a comfort thing. Often I will Email it to them in advance so they do not think they are being jammed/scammed.

I realize some parties don't want the hassle of the extra paperwork but I see and hear all the permutations of concern or complaint that could be covered by mutual written agreement.

[DB>]

Certified corona virus free bills....

[baggss]

I've only done one of these, with another CalGunner for a gun he listed in the Buy & Sell forums.

We agreed to cash up front, if the PPT failed for whatever reason we agreed to an 80% refund to me since the failure would be on my part, not his. Seemed reasonable to me, and there were no issues.

[M1NM]

I prefer Venmo and Cashapp but I can't find anyone under age 40 who uses it.

I'm well over 40 and use neither. I also don't pay bills on line or do my banking that way.

[Bmeow]

Cash.

Where possible I use a firearms purchase agreement that both parties sign. It spells out rights and responsibilities of both sides, terms, conditions of ownership, DROS, payment etc.

I find that the Sellers I purchase from for C&R seem to like it as "more professional" in addition to just the FFL03 and COE paperwork. Maybe it is a comfort thing. Often I will Email it to them in advance so they do not think they are being jammed/scammed.

I realize some parties don't want the hassle of the extra paperwork but I see and hear all the permutations of concern or complaint that could be covered by mutual written agreement.

can you share the form you use? i'm interested as well

[BigPimping]

hahaha says the guy who said venmo was safer than cash...

Cash only. No funny stuff. New bills, crisp and clean. No crazy electronic payments that are likely 2A unfriendly.

[SonOfaDI]

Every PPT gun i have purchased, i paid after paperwork is done outside the store. I dont want some guy that doesn't own the gun to run off before the transfer is started, you never know... He might be a felon that can't own a firearm also.

This - After Paperwork started and ID's/info taken by the store.

[painkiller]

Cash is king baby