PPT pay method

[1320Fastback]

Done two PPTs and they were cash up front in the parking lot of the FFL prior to going inside to do paperwork.

[Jimi Jah]

Taking guns out of locked cases and playing with them in the parking lot is illegal here.

Locked cases are taken into the gun store first and then opened.

[Pyrite]

I usually deal in cash in a public area. Cash moves before paperwork starts.

Honestly I don't like cash bc I don't like carrying it but it's seller's rules. I prefer Venmo and Cashapp but I can't find anyone under age 40 who uses it.

I dealt in large quantities of bullion. When I'd get a customer who was worried about "carrying so much cash" I would remind them that they would be "carrying out" a....bunch... of GOLD!

[Mickey D]

Buttcoin or SheiteTickets.

[pharmer9]

I have only done 4 ppt but have asked the sellers if they have a preference when cash is handed over.

All 4 didnt have a preference so i offered to pay after DROS is done, in case something messes up. Stating as well, if dros can't be completed, then i will compensate them for their time and hassle.



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[HighWildFree]

I will usually give cash discreetly once the paperwork has started. If I or the seller don't feel comfortable enough with each other, then we shouldn't be doing the deal anyways.

Never had any issues with any Calgunner, all have been class acts.

[003]

Another absofreak'nlutely false fabrication of the same idiotic counter monkeys that somehow believe it creates liability to deliver on UNDETERMINED status. Or "SAFE AFFIDAVITS" don't cover Ca FSD requirements.

I have never ever heard of this. No, I take that back I have heard of it on Calgjuns, but never in real life.

I would never use a shop that had an issue with the buyer paying the seller in the shop. As many have said, the buyer inspects the firearms and then pays the seller. At that point the sale is complete and final. Being in California does not change the fact that the buyer now owns the gun. Granted the buyer has to jump through some paper work hoops and wait ten days but it is his gun.

[norcalAF]

For guns/ammo cash is king, I don't need any paper trail for the wife to find I've sold moto gear etc, PayPal is fine for that.

[norcalAF]

My lgs insists on paying outside the shop, otherwise they said the state wants their pound. Routine is inspect at the counter step outside the door, hand envelope, step back inside do DROS. I have yet to have a negative experience with any calgunner, but I'm nearly always the buyer and am not a flake etc. I don't mind their store policy, the folks running the place are good people and always pleasant to deal with. City Arms East ftw!

[kemasa]

I have never ever heard of this. No, I take that back I have heard of it on Calgjuns, but never in real life.

I would never use a shop that had an issue with the buyer paying the seller in the shop. As many have said, the buyer inspects the firearms and then pays the seller. At that point the sale is complete and final. Being in California does not change the fact that the buyer now owns the gun. Granted the buyer has to jump through some paper work hoops and wait ten days but it is his gun.

Sorry, but you are wrong and that isn't how it actually works. Paying doesn't change ownership, just like with a vehicle, you can pay, but if you don't transfer the title, you don't own it. The ownership doesn't change until the transfer is complete.

Explain how in the case of a CA PPT that if the buyer fails the background check, that the firearm has to be returned to the seller or to the police if it can't be returned to the seller.

[003]

Sorry, but you are wrong and that isn't how it actually works. Paying doesn't change ownership, just like with a vehicle, you can pay, but if you don't transfer the title, you don't own it. The ownership doesn't change until the transfer is complete.

Explain how in the case of a CA PPT that if the buyer fails the background check, that the firearm has to be returned to the seller or to the police if it can't be returned to the seller.

Legally, paying does change ownership. Dealing with a failed background is a completely different situation, having nothing to do with a completed sales transaction. In a failed background, the firearm does not "have to be returned to the seller". The seller can walk away with no penalty or responsibility.



Sale
An agreement by which one of the contracting parties, called the seller, gives a thing and passes the title to it, in exchange for a certain price in current money, to the other party, who is called the buyer or purchaser, who, on his part, agrees to pay such price.


Unless there is specific language in a sales agreement that allows for a "failed transaction" do to a third party action, the buyer owns the gun when he pays the seller.

Now California law may allow the return of a gun to the seller, but it does not require it.

The buyer owns the gun, but cannot take possession of it do to California law. The buyer can negotiate with the gun shop to sell it for him on consignment or buy it outright.

[edgerly779]

Most ffls do not care some do though. Never Venmo if buyer that anal buy elsewhere.

[kemasa]

Legally, paying does change ownership. Dealing with a failed background is a completely different situation, having nothing to do with a completed sales transaction. In a failed background, the firearm does not "have to be returned to the seller". The seller can walk away with no penalty or responsibility.

Wrong.

If you pay a dealer for a gun that isn't in stock and may not even be made yet, how exactly do you own it? Do you think that the manufacturer would agree that you own it? The distributor? If a second gun is paid for by another person at the same time, which of the two guns do you claim that you own?

Try reading what I actually said. In the case of a CA PPT, the CA PC requires that if the buyer fails the background check, the firearm has to be returned to the seller OR turned over to the police. So you got that wrong as well.

[003]

Wrong.

If you pay a dealer for a gun that isn't in stock and may not even be made yet, how exactly do you own it? Do you think that the manufacturer would agree that you own it? The distributor? If a second gun is paid for by another person at the same time, which of the two guns do you claim that you own?

Try reading what I actually said. In the case of a CA PPT, the CA PC requires that if the buyer fails the background check, the firearm has to be returned to the seller OR turned over to the police. So you got that wrong as well.

You are adding a completely different sales transaction talking about a dealer order. Read the penal code again, it does not require the return to the seller, it allows for the return or the surrender to the police.

As previously stated, the seller walks away with no responsibility.

[kemasa]

Bullsh*t!



The only transactions that they have to pay tax on are those in which they are the seller. They're just afraid of some kind of "liability" (which is nonexistent) if the transaction takes place inside the store.

Sorry, but you are wrong. If the dealer gets involved in finding the buyer or seller, or gets involved in the selling price, then it is subject to sales tax.

You are correct that they are afraid, with good reason based on the government, and in the case of a CA PPT where the dealer doesn't find the buyer or seller and doesn't get involved in the price, it isn't subject to sales tax regardless of where the money is paid.