Church security team

[SVT-40]

Lot of gun shops and pawn shops that are open to public where the employees are open carrying.

True, that doesn't mean it's legal.

Maybe their employees have CCW's. Who knows. Most PD's also don't go around enforcing these laws unless there is some type of event or complaint.

Just because there isn't enforcement doesn't mean it's legal.

Many gun shops have locked doors which must me unlocked via a "buzzer" type system to allow entry.

Believe me, I don't write any of this info with glee.

But knowing the actual law and how it can be applied is very important. It's then up to each of us can to either follow the law or not.

Again read what Chuck Michel wrote above. Not my words.... Don't shoot the messenger

[igs]

Most of you really need to read the below info. The info was also listed in post #3 by Kestryll.

It's a legal overview by Chuck Michel on behalf of the CRPA.

https://crpa.org/resources/carrying-firearms-in-church/

No one is arguing that private property cannot also be a public place.

The law simply exempts private property, along with place of residence and place of business, from public carry laws. Regardless if they are a public place or not.

[igs]

Again read what Chuck Michel wrote above. Not my words.... Don't shoot the messenger

From the memorandum:

[igs]

The law is NOT:

You can carry in private property except if it is a public place.

The law IS:

You cannot carry in a public place except if it is private property.

[Doheny]

After yesterday's Texas incident, what are the legalities of being on an armed church security team?

[Jason95357]

As noted above, you can't carry in the "public" areas of a church without a CCW permit just because the church is private property. But, for those with a CCW permit volunteering specifically in regards to charities such as churches should take note that there are exemptions to the BSIS licensing requirements.

Proprietary Security Services (7574-7576):

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayexpandedbranch.xhtml?tocCode=BPC&division=3.&title=&part=&chapter=11.4.&article=

Specifically there is an exclusion for the Proprietary Security Services:
B&PC 7574.14
"This chapter shall not apply to the following:
...
(c) A charitable philanthropic society or association incorporated under the laws of this state that is organized and duly maintained for the public good and not for private profit."

Source: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...1.4.&article=2.


Private Security Services (7580-7588.8):

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayexpandedbranch.xhtml?tocCode=BPC&division=3.&title=&part=&chapter=11.5.&article=

Specifically, there is an exclusion for the Private Security Services:
B&PC 7582.2
"This chapter does not apply to the following:
...
(d) A charitable philanthropic society or association duly incorporated under the laws of this state that is organized and maintained for the public good and not for private profit."

Source:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...=BPC&article=3.

I am not a lawyer. Don't take my word for it, have your church/charity legal council advise the leaders in charge about volunteer security teams.

[FeuerFrei]

Arguing guns and religion has no value here. IMO

Modern day churches are corporate businesses with by-laws and are often franchises of the original corporate HQ that qualifies it to open in the name of the organization [permission to operate as]. IRS 501 (c) (3) tax exempt corp. IRS sets the rules. God's law vs man's law.
President/board of directors/secretary treasury/membership/monthly business meetings and voting by (members only) for corporate positions in the church.
Go ask for a copy of the by-laws from one of the board members/deacons/elders and read it.

Churches have business hours. Majority of churches are not open 24/7 to the public.

I'm suggesting people study what a house of worship factually is today. Ask about liability ins. for security teams.