Church security team

[igs]

Please tell me how I am wrong, when the law you quoted plainly states place of business, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal resident."? We are talking about a church, not someone's home or business. It has been stated time and time again that the only person who can carry concealed inside all areas of a business is the owner. Also you might want to check it, since nowhere does it state that a business owner or property owner can grant permission to carry concealed.

A church is a business. It is also private property.

26035. Nothing in Section 25850 shall prevent any person engaged in any lawful business, including a nonprofit organization, or any officer, employee, or agent authorized

[colossians323]

I don't think sheep dogs care

[MRWOOD3]

Are you seriously that stupid? Try reading what I wrote. Ammunition does not have to be in a separate container as you said it does. It's hard to prove a negative, perhaps you can show us all where it states that ammunition has to be in a separate container for transport?

Wow we're there now...the disrespect. Over a disagreement. This phone must have you feeling real brave. Why dont you enjoy the rest of your night.

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[MRWOOD3]

Nope. Officers can make arrests for any crime which occurs in their presence, and for felonies which didn't occur in their presence. Private property or not.

True but what crime is being committed? Are you going to arrest a citizen trying to uphold his/her second amendment at a church? I understand peace officer powers to arrest for probable cause.

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[MRWOOD3]

(2) Notwithstanding paragraph (1), a muzzle-loader firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinder.

Ok ill admit i was not entirely correct but that is minor in the grand scheme of it. When transporting a firearm id separate ammo from the gun to be cautious even though it was said that you can have it in the same container. If im saying transport them separately and P5 whatever is saying you can have it all together...id error on separation. You are correct a mag full inserted is considered loaded by definition.

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A church is a business. It is also private property.

26035. Nothing in Section 25850 shall prevent any person engaged in any lawful business, including a nonprofit organization, or any officer, employee, or agent authorized by that person for lawful purposes connected with that business, from having a loaded firearm within the person’s place of business, or any person in lawful possession of private property from having a loaded firearm on that property.

In regards to firearms, CA case laws have clarified...

If the private property is open to the public (general public can gain access without having to cross through a locked barrier/gate/door), then it's considered a public place and CA laws regarding loaded firearm in public, unloaded firearm in public, & carrying a concealed firearm apply.

That "having a loaded firearm" does not mean it allows carrying a loaded firearm when there is no immediate grave danger, it means having access to in case of an immediate grave danger.
^"immediate grave danger" equates to the time period when law enforcement is called for assistance and before they arrive.

[Quiet]

True but what crime is being committed? Are you going to arrest a citizen trying to uphold his/her second amendment at a church? I understand peace officer powers to arrest for probable cause.

Technically, probable cause is not needed for an arrest.

A CA LEO can make an arrest for "loaded firearm in public" by just having reasonable suspicion that the crime was committed. [PC 25850(g)(2)]

[MRWOOD3]

Technically, probable cause is not needed for an arrest.

A CA LEO can make an arrest for "loaded firearm in public" by just having reasonable suspicion that the crime was committed. [PC 25850(g)(2)]

An officer can detain for reasonable suspicion a lower level of burden but all arrest are with probable cause. Laws suck lol

You made good points regarding the church. Because churches can be done in open fields, homes, or massive structures each depends on the circumstance you're in.

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An officer can detain for reasonable suspicion a lower level of burden but all arrest are with probable cause. Laws suck lol

CA laws allows for an arrest for loaded firearm in public with just reasonable suspicion, even if the crime did not happen. [PC 25850(g)(2)]



Penal Code 25850

[JamesH]

Since it is related to the topic, please support AB503.

https://act.nraila.org/actions/campaigns/7557

On Tuesday, January 14, at 9:00 a.m. in State Capitol room 126, the Assembly Public Safety Committee will hear Assembly Bill 503, a pro-gun measure sponsored by Assembly Member Health Flora (R- 12). AB 503 would allow an individual with a valid concealed carry weapons license to carry to, from, or in a church, synagogue, or other place of worship on the grounds of a public or private K-12 school when the individual has the written permission of the school authority.

The bill:

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB503

[P5Ret]

Wow we're there now...the disrespect. Over a disagreement. This phone must have you feeling real brave. Why dont you enjoy the rest of your night.

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Brave has noting to do with it, tough guy. It's about understanding what you read, and not reading what you want it to say.

You're the one with a complete and total lack of reading comprehension. You're the one who tried to twist words.

I never said that someone could not transport a firearm, now did I? I stated your statement that ammo must be transported in a separate container from the firearm was wrong. You tried to twist that to no way to transport a firearm.

It's pretty obvious you and others don't understand the difference between private property and private property that is open to, or accessible to the public, like a church, a store, or an unsecured front yard. It does make a difference with firearms laws regarding carrying concealed without a CCW.

[igs]

In regards to firearms, CA case laws have clarified...

If the private property is open to the public (general public can gain access without having to cross through a locked barrier/gate/door), then it's considered a public place and CA laws regarding loaded firearm in public, unloaded firearm in public, & carrying a concealed firearm apply.

That "having a loaded firearm" does not mean it allows carrying a loaded firearm when there is no immediate grave danger, it means having access to in case of an immediate grave danger.
^"immediate grave danger" equates to the time period when law enforcement is called for assistance and before they arrive.

Quiet, just to clarify then, if your place of residence does not have a locked door then you cannot carry in your own home?

25605.(b) No permit or license to purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry, either openly or concealed, shall be required of any citizen of the United States or legal resident over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within the excepted classes prescribed by Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 29800) or Chapter 3 (commencing with Section 29900) of Division 9 of this title, or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, to purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry, either openly or concealedplace of residence, place of business, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal resident.

[igs]

Open Carry at my Place of Business

[MRWOOD3]

CA laws allows for an arrest for loaded firearm in public with just reasonable suspicion, even if the crime did not happen. [PC 25850(g)(2)]







Penal Code 25850

That's for a loaded firearm in a public place... where now adding elements to the original arguement. Yours is true for that situation. We're discussing a church being private property.

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[MRWOOD3]

Brave has noting to do with it, tough guy. It's about understanding what you read, and not reading what you want it to say.



You're the one with a complete and total lack of reading comprehension. You're the one who tried to twist words.



I never said that someone could not transport a firearm, now did I? I stated your statement that ammo must be transported in a separate container from the firearm was wrong. You tried to twist that to no way to transport a firearm.



It's pretty obvious you and others don't understand the difference between private property and private property that is open to, or accessible to the public, like a church, a store, or an unsecured front yard. It does make a difference with firearms laws regarding carrying concealed without a CCW.

You're slow bro. Take care.

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