Church security team

[P5Ret]

Concealed weapon is an available weapon unlocked and not stored in its proper container. You know the law about transporting firearms that goes in conjunction with arrival to private property or a business. Safe handling is necessary without a CCW and is an extra step but it can be done. Ask gun range employees if they all have CCWs or the permission to carry on grounds. I'll look into it more but that's my understanding. You'd need a warrant to arrest someone on private property.

And it specifically says loaded firearm... definition of loaded is a round seated in the chamber not in the magazine.

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The problem with your reasoning is that the law does not say "loaded". Then again you're free to do as you please, but taking legal advise from a gun control group isn't my idea of a good plan of action.

[MRWOOD3]

The problem with your reasoning is that the law does not say "loaded". Then again you're free to do as you please, but taking legal advise from a gun control group isn't my idea of a good plan of action.

Not saying free sir. The law works in sections as your transporting it needs to be unloaded, locked in a container separate from ammo. As you are on private property with expressed permission from owner you can have your weapon. When you step foot on public property again you are then breaking the law if you have not gone back to separating.

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[P5Ret]

Not saying free sir. The law works in sections as your transporting it needs to be unloaded, locked in a container separate from ammo. As you are on private property with expressed permission from owner you can have your weapon. When you step foot on public property again you are then breaking the law if you have not gone back to separating.

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I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but it is not accurate. If you are in an area open to the public, like a church that exemption to private property you keep throwing out isn't applicable. Plain and simple it is not lawful for anyone without a CCW to carry a concealed weapon loaded or not in a public place.

You don't even have the transport law correct, so why would anyone assume that anything else you're suggesting is correct. Ammo does not need to be separate from the firearm, it can not be in a magazine inserted in the firearm, but it can be in the same container.

[MRWOOD3]

I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but it is not accurate. If you are in an area open to the public, like a church that exemption to private property you keep throwing out isn't applicable. Plain and simple it is not lawful for anyone without a CCW to carry a concealed weapon loaded or not in a public place.



You don't even have the transport law correct, so why would anyone assume that anything else you're suggesting is correct. Ammo does not need to be separate from the firearm, it can not be in a magazine inserted in the firearm, but it can be in the same container.

Please correct it then... just say not true is the easiest stance to have. Are you telling me there is no legal way to transport a firearm to the range, home, private place, or business?

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[MRWOOD3]

I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but it is not accurate. If you are in an area open to the public, like a church that exemption to private property you keep throwing out isn't applicable. Plain and simple it is not lawful for anyone without a CCW to carry a concealed weapon loaded or not in a public place.



You don't even have the transport law correct, so why would anyone assume that anything else you're suggesting is correct. Ammo does not need to be separate from the firearm, it can not be in a magazine inserted in the firearm, but it can be in the same container.

https://www.shouselaw.com/transporting-firearms

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[MRWOOD3]

I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but it is not accurate. If you are in an area open to the public, like a church that exemption to private property you keep throwing out isn't applicable. Plain and simple it is not lawful for anyone without a CCW to carry a concealed weapon loaded or not in a public place.



You don't even have the transport law correct, so why would anyone assume that anything else you're suggesting is correct. Ammo does not need to be separate from the firearm, it can not be in a magazine inserted in the firearm, but it can be in the same container.

Anything else is a matter of preference, but the information is valid.

Ammunition cannot be attached to the handgun in any manner. Under most circumstances, a firearm is considered loaded when there is a live round of ammunition "...in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to: in the firing chamber, magazine or clip thereof attached to the firearm..." For example, a semi-automatic handgun with an empty firing chamber and a loaded magazine inserted in the magazine well is considered loaded. There is no prohibition in the state codes against also carrying ammunition within the same motor vehicle or compartment in the vehicle, as long as the firearms are not loaded and ammunition is not attached in any manner to the firearm. - Penal Code Sections 12025, 12026, 12031

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[MRWOOD3]

I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but it is not accurate. If you are in an area open to the public, like a church that exemption to private property you keep throwing out isn't applicable. Plain and simple it is not lawful for anyone without a CCW to carry a concealed weapon loaded or not in a public place.



You don't even have the transport law correct, so why would anyone assume that anything else you're suggesting is correct. Ammo does not need to be separate from the firearm, it can not be in a magazine inserted in the firearm, but it can be in the same container.

A:*Churches*are*private property*owners, so they can restrict access to their*property. Case law supports the notion that*churches*are not required to allow anyone to enter or remain on their*property*simply because their ministries are open to the public.

Can you show your work?

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[igs]

Plain and simple it is not lawful for anyone without a CCW to carry a concealed weapon loaded or not in a public place.

Wrong.

25605.(b) No permit or license to purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry, either openly or concealed, shall be required of any citizen of the United States or legal resident over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within the excepted classes prescribed by Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 29800) or Chapter 3 (commencing with Section 29900) of Division 9 of this title, or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, to purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry, either openly or concealedplace of business, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal resident.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...ctionNum=25605.

[MRWOOD3]

Wrong.



25605.(b) No permit or license to purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry, either openly or concealed, shall be required of any citizen of the United States or legal resident over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within the excepted classes prescribed by Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 29800) or Chapter 3 (commencing with Section 29900) of Division 9 of this title, or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, to purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry, either openly or concealedplace of business, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal resident.



http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...ctionNum=25605.

You just proved my point... the ability to not carry falls only in prohibited persons PC section 29800- felons, which includes 29805, 29815, and 29825 those groups are also prohibited from ammunition PC 30305. Also WIC 8103 mental health... unless you fall in those categories which i don't you can follow the other laws.

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[SVT-40]

And it specifically says loaded firearm... definition of loaded is a round seated in the chamber not in the magazine.

Wrong. Loaded includes when a firearm has a loaded magazine lodged in the weapons magazine well. There is no requirement for a round to be in the chambered to be considered "loaded" in CA..

Same for a revolver. Having one round in any portion of a cylinder is considered loaded.

[MRWOOD3]

Wrong. Loaded includes when a firearm has a loaded magazine lodged in the weapons magazine well. There is no requirement for a round to be in the chambered to be considered "loaded" in CA..

Same for a revolver. Having one round in any portion of a cylinder is considered loaded.

Is that all you have out of all that... ok mag out but i also said locked separately.

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[SVT-40]

Is that all you have out of all that... ok mag out but i also said locked separately.

(2) Notwithstanding paragraph (1), a muzzle-loader firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinder.

[SVT-40]

I'll look into it more but that's my understanding. You'd need a warrant to arrest someone on private property.

Nope. Officers can make arrests for any crime which occurs in their presence, and for felonies which didn't occur in their presence. Private property or not.

[P5Ret]

Wrong.

25605.(b) No permit or license to purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry, either openly or concealed, shall be required of any citizen of the United States or legal resident over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within the excepted classes prescribed by Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 29800) or Chapter 3 (commencing with Section 29900) of Division 9 of this title, or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, to purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry, either openly or concealedplace of business, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal resident.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...ctionNum=25605.

Please tell me how I am wrong, when the law you quoted plainly states place of business, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal resident."? We are talking about a church, not someone's home or business. It has been stated time and time again that the only person who can carry concealed inside all areas of a business is the owner. Also you might want to check it, since nowhere does it state that a business owner or property owner can grant permission to carry concealed.

[P5Ret]

Please correct it then... just say not true is the easiest stance to have. Are you telling me there is no legal way to transport a firearm to the range, home, private place, or business?

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Are you seriously that stupid? Try reading what I wrote. Ammunition does not have to be in a separate container as you said it does. It's hard to prove a negative, perhaps you can show us all where it states that ammunition has to be in a separate container for transport?