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  • #31
    71MUSTY
    Calguns Addict
    • Mar 2014
    • 7029

    I have never attended a Church which did not have at least one armed person in the crowd. Probably a lot more then just me though.

    One Church I attended I counted 8 and that was just the ones I knew were either LEO, CCW or old and cranky.
    Only slaves don't need guns

    Originally posted by epilepticninja
    Americans vs. Democrats
    We stand for the Anthem, we kneel for the cross


    We already have the only reasonable Gun Control we need, It's called the Second Amendment and it's the government it controls.


    What doesn't kill me, better run

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    • #32
      VMCJ-3
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2012
      • 619

      I've been a member of my church's campus safety team for 6+ years. We are a large congregation, and our strategy utilizes a layered defense.

      Parking lot guys, greeters, obvious security guys, plain clothes security guys and a "dispatcher" watching video monitors.

      Between campus safety, off duty/retired LEO's and a bunch of CCW holders, I'm very concerned about a "friendly fire" incident if something happened like last Sundays shooting in Texas.

      I guess that is a better problem than being under gunned and/or defenseless.
      Then said He unto them...
      "and he that hath no 1911 designed by my servant John Moses Browning,
      let him sell his garment and buy one."
      And they said, "Lord, behold, here are two Glocks."
      And He said unto them, "Meh, it's a good start."

      Luke 22:36-38 (somewhat paraphrased)

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      • #33
        xSlapshotx
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2013
        • 505

        Originally posted by LongLiveTheRepublic
        Why not just put a gun free zone sign? /s
        This is just brilliant! Problem solved!

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        • #34
          Dutch3
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Oct 2010
          • 14181

          Churches here have unorganized, voluntary security personnel. These individuals have the permission of the pastor to be armed on the premises.
          Just taking up space in (what is no longer) the second-worst small town in California.

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          • #35
            pacrat
            I need a LIFE!!
            • May 2014
            • 10283

            Originally posted by flyinbronco
            From what I heard the parishioners were trained by a local deputy sheriff that came in and developed a response plan for just such an event. It should be the model in every house of worship, school etc.
            For the sake of accuracy. https://abcnews.go.com/US/parishione...ry?id=67982047

            Wilson was a "former reserve deputy".


            Jack Wilson, a 71-year-old former reserve deputy sheriff, took out the shotgun-wielding suspect with a single shot to the head during services at the West Freeway Church of Christ in the Fort Worth suburb of White Settlement, police and witnesses said.

            "I don't see myself as a hero," Wilson told reporters on Monday. "I see myself as doing what needed to be done to take out the evil threat."

            Not only is Wilson a former law enforcement officer, he also provides firearms training to members of the church who volunteer to help with security of the sanctuary, he said. He also has his own gun range.

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            • #36
              MRWOOD3
              Junior Member
              • Jul 2015
              • 61

              Personal property... with permission you can carry. Then lock up as if you were transporting the firearm in a car when you leave.

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              • #37
                P5Ret
                Calguns Addict
                • Oct 2010
                • 6374

                Originally posted by MRWOOD3
                Personal property... with permission you can carry. Then lock up as if you were transporting the firearm in a car when you leave.
                Care to cite a penal code section that backs that up? It won't work on property accessible or open to the public.

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                • #38
                  MRWOOD3
                  Junior Member
                  • Jul 2015
                  • 61

                  Originally posted by P5Ret
                  Care to cite a penal code section that backs that up? It won't work on property accessible or open to the public.
                  Care to site where it's illegal because if it isn't in the penal code it can't be enforced.

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                  • #39
                    MRWOOD3
                    Junior Member
                    • Jul 2015
                    • 61

                    Originally posted by P5Ret
                    Care to cite a penal code section that backs that up? It won't work on property accessible or open to the public.
                    https://lawcenter.giffords.org/other...in-california/

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                    • #40
                      Jimi Jah
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2014
                      • 18750

                      Originally posted by LongLiveTheRepublic
                      Why not just put a gun free zone sign? /s
                      Because the entire state already is.

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                      • #41
                        socal m1 shooter
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2013
                        • 1673

                        Originally posted by engclose
                        After yesterday's Texas incident, what are the legalities of being on an armed church security team?
                        For what it is worth, I just received an email regarding a "hands-on/scenario-based church security seminar" in Huntington Beach on Friday, January 17 and Saturday, January 18 (2020).

                        More details here (PDF).

                        I do not have any connection with either the church hosting the seminar, nor the outfit that is running the seminar. Just passing this along...
                        iTrader under old CalGuns

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                        • #42
                          P5Ret
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 6374

                          Originally posted by MRWOOD3
                          https://lawcenter.giffords.org/other...in-california/

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                          • #43
                            MRWOOD3
                            Junior Member
                            • Jul 2015
                            • 61

                            Concealed weapon is an available weapon unlocked and not stored in its proper container. You know the law about transporting firearms that goes in conjunction with arrival to private property or a business. Safe handling is necessary without a CCW and is an extra step but it can be done. Ask gun range employees if they all have CCWs or the permission to carry on grounds. I'll look into it more but that's my understanding. You'd need a warrant to arrest someone on private property.

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                            • #44
                              MRWOOD3
                              Junior Member
                              • Jul 2015
                              • 61

                              And it specifically says loaded firearm... definition of loaded is a round seated in the chamber none in the magazine.

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                              Last edited by MRWOOD3; 01-11-2020, 10:06 PM.

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                              • #45
                                MRWOOD3
                                Junior Member
                                • Jul 2015
                                • 61

                                Concealed weapon is an available weapon unlocked and not stored in its proper container. You know the law about transporting firearms that goes in conjunction with arrival to private property or a business. Safe handling is necessary without a CCW and is an extra step but it can be done. Ask gun range employees if they all have CCWs or the permission to carry on grounds. I'll look into it more but that's my understanding. You'd need a warrant to arrest someone on private property.

                                And it specifically says loaded firearm... definition of loaded is a round seated in the chamber not in the magazine.

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