Church security team

[71MUSTY]

I have never attended a Church which did not have at least one armed person in the crowd. Probably a lot more then just me though.

One Church I attended I counted 8 and that was just the ones I knew were either LEO, CCW or old and cranky.

[VMCJ-3]

I've been a member of my church's campus safety team for 6+ years. We are a large congregation, and our strategy utilizes a layered defense.

Parking lot guys, greeters, obvious security guys, plain clothes security guys and a "dispatcher" watching video monitors.

Between campus safety, off duty/retired LEO's and a bunch of CCW holders, I'm very concerned about a "friendly fire" incident if something happened like last Sundays shooting in Texas.

I guess that is a better problem than being under gunned and/or defenseless.

[xSlapshotx]

Why not just put a gun free zone sign? /s

This is just brilliant! Problem solved!

[Dutch3]

Churches here have unorganized, voluntary security personnel. These individuals have the permission of the pastor to be armed on the premises.

[pacrat]

From what I heard the parishioners were trained by a local deputy sheriff that came in and developed a response plan for just such an event. It should be the model in every house of worship, school etc.

For the sake of accuracy. https://abcnews.go.com/US/parishione...ry?id=67982047

Wilson was a "former reserve deputy".

Jack Wilson, a 71-year-old former reserve deputy sheriff, took out the shotgun-wielding suspect with a single shot to the head during services at the West Freeway Church of Christ in the Fort Worth suburb of White Settlement, police and witnesses said.

"I don't see myself as a hero," Wilson told reporters on Monday. "I see myself as doing what needed to be done to take out the evil threat."

Not only is Wilson a former law enforcement officer, he also provides firearms training to members of the church who volunteer to help with security of the sanctuary, he said. He also has his own gun range.

[MRWOOD3]

Personal property... with permission you can carry. Then lock up as if you were transporting the firearm in a car when you leave.

[P5Ret]

Personal property... with permission you can carry. Then lock up as if you were transporting the firearm in a car when you leave.

Care to cite a penal code section that backs that up? It won't work on property accessible or open to the public.

[MRWOOD3]

Care to cite a penal code section that backs that up? It won't work on property accessible or open to the public.

Care to site where it's illegal because if it isn't in the penal code it can't be enforced.

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[MRWOOD3]

Care to cite a penal code section that backs that up? It won't work on property accessible or open to the public.

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/other...in-california/

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[Jimi Jah]

Why not just put a gun free zone sign? /s

Because the entire state already is.

[socal m1 shooter]

After yesterday's Texas incident, what are the legalities of being on an armed church security team?

For what it is worth, I just received an email regarding a "hands-on/scenario-based church security seminar" in Huntington Beach on Friday, January 17 and Saturday, January 18 (2020).

More details here (PDF).

I do not have any connection with either the church hosting the seminar, nor the outfit that is running the seminar. Just passing this along...

[P5Ret]

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/other...in-california/

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[MRWOOD3]

Concealed weapon is an available weapon unlocked and not stored in its proper container. You know the law about transporting firearms that goes in conjunction with arrival to private property or a business. Safe handling is necessary without a CCW and is an extra step but it can be done. Ask gun range employees if they all have CCWs or the permission to carry on grounds. I'll look into it more but that's my understanding. You'd need a warrant to arrest someone on private property.

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[MRWOOD3]

And it specifically says loaded firearm... definition of loaded is a round seated in the chamber none in the magazine.

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[MRWOOD3]

Concealed weapon is an available weapon unlocked and not stored in its proper container. You know the law about transporting firearms that goes in conjunction with arrival to private property or a business. Safe handling is necessary without a CCW and is an extra step but it can be done. Ask gun range employees if they all have CCWs or the permission to carry on grounds. I'll look into it more but that's my understanding. You'd need a warrant to arrest someone on private property.

And it specifically says loaded firearm... definition of loaded is a round seated in the chamber not in the magazine.

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