Getting a CCW with criminal history

[Eozan]

[OCEquestrian]

The horse enthusiast suggesting that leftist policy around guns is somehow justified because of a “pollyanna” belief in the 2A community that “everyone should have guns” is offensive and misleading.

Please have the intellectual integrity to not put words into my mouth or make assumptions and coming to conclusions for which there is absolutely no evidence to support. Your willingness to do so puts your comment below into better context.

It’s pretty binary, folks- either it “shall not be infringed” or it should.

Your overly simplified viewpoint, centered in your wishful thinking and clearly lacking a law degree or any formal education in constitutional law and precedent, is a nice fantasy that is NOT grounded in fact / reality and never has been, even at the time the Constitution was written.

PS: you used binary wrong...

[SanDiego619]

Please have the intellectual integrity to not put words into my mouth or make assumptions and coming to conclusions for which there is absolutely no evidence to support. Your willingness to do so puts your comment below into better context.




Your overly simplified viewpoint, centered in your wishful thinking and clearly lacking a law degree or any formal education in constitutional law and precedent, is a nice fantasy that is NOT grounded in fact / reality and never has been, even at the time the Constitution was written.

Compared to you, we are uneducated peons.

[pancakes go]

It’s funny you don’t understand the difference between being charged and convicted, but I digress. Don’t worry, I probably won’t ever get a ccw anyway, I’ll just move to AZ haha.
Thank you guys all for your opinions and help. Seems I started quite the debate here. Thank you all again

and you think AZ will allow you to carry? LMAO! AZ is very conservative and doesn’t like your kind, especially one with a past such as yours.

[OCEquestrian]

It’s funny you don’t understand the difference between being charged and convicted, but I digress. Don’t worry, I probably won’t ever get a ccw anyway, I’ll just move to AZ haha.
Thank you guys all for your opinions and help. Seems I started quite the debate here. Thank you all again

Oh I do understand the difference, and I also understand as do most, given that we complain about it often in this forum, how the plea bargin system works and its significant contribution to the failure of the criminal justice system.

I suggest you apply for a "non-resident" Arizonia CCW and see what happens. Its minimal work / research on your part and theoretically, if you can own a gun, you should be able to get the Az. permit but who knows. If you get one, it may bolster your case here in CA.

CalGun's forum on non resident permits...http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=378

[OCEquestrian]

and you think AZ will allow you to carry? LMAO! AZ is very conservative and doesn’t like your kind, especially one with a past such as yours.

Wow! Thats a bit of an assumption not in evidence yet...even I would never assert that.

[Eozan]

[DevilDawgJJ]

So when do you move from criminal to law abiding? After paying a fine? Community service? Jail? Prison? Graduate degree? Honorable discharge?



I know a guy. He has a criminal history. He's has a CCW (in CA, and two other states), and holds an active TS clearance in Fed Govt.

Law abiding citizens with criminal history...ARE walking the streets.

[OCEquestrian]

So when do you move from criminal to law abiding? After paying a fine? Community service? Jail? Prison? Graduate degree? Honorable discharge?



I know a guy. He has a criminal history. He's has a CCW (in CA, and two other states), and holds an active TS clearance in Fed Govt.

Law abiding citizens with criminal history...ARE walking the streets.

As always the severity of the crime has material impact on who gets what after the fact

[DevilDawgJJ]

As always the severity of the crime length of time since arrest has material impact on who gets what after the fact

FIFY

Yes to severity as well

[Eozan]

[OCEquestrian]

Well it’s settled, I called Tucson police and they said as long as I’m not a felon I can carry. Sweet! So I’ll try and get an AZ ccw as well.

Cool. That is the difference Between a shall issue and a may issue state. As others appointed out, some jurisdictions in California may will issue you a CCW but certainly in southern California that would be unlikely in the opinion of most. That said only the issuing authority can speak for certain.

[Grouchy Bear]

[OCEquestrian]

So when do you move from criminal to law abiding? After paying a fine? Community service? Jail? Prison? Graduate degree? Honorable discharge?



I know a guy. He has a criminal history. He's has a CCW (in CA, and two other states), and holds an active TS clearance in Fed Govt.

Law abiding citizens with criminal history...ARE walking the streets.

FIFY

Yes to severity as well

Moral Turpitude Law and Legal Definition

Turpitude means a corrupt or depraved or degenerate act or practice. Moral turpitude refers generally to conduct that shocks the public conscience. Offenses such as murder, voluntary manslaughter, kidnapping, robbery, and aggravated assaults involve moral turpitude. However, assaults not involving dangerous weapons or evil intent have been held not to involve moral turpitude.

Conviction of crimes of moral turpitude may also disqualify someone from an employment opportunity. The precise definition of a crime that involves moral turpitude isn't always clear, but the following crimes are always considered crimes of moral turpitude:

murder;
voluntary manslaughter;
rape;
statutory rape;
domestic violence;
prostitution;
fraud and crimes where fraud is an element
all theft offenses (but see receipt of stolen property below);
blackmail;
malicious destruction of property;
arson;
alien smuggling;
harboring a fugitive;
bribery;
perjury

https://definitions.uslegal.com/m/moral-turpitude/

[Grouchy Bear]

PS: you used binary wrong...

Please have the intellectual integrity to not put words into my mouth or make assumptions and coming to conclusions for which there is absolutely no evidence to support.

Very well. My apologies. Go ahead and explain what I misunderstood here:

This pollyanna belief that everyone should have guns is very representative of many on this site and clearly suggests the liberal /progressive accusation that "we can not be trusted to police our own" is not far off base.