!!!DOJ WARNING!!! DOJ WARNING!!!

[325inthe510]

the lytle creek range is different.

those are typically not local cops, those are federal BLM agents, and it is one of the provisions for the range to operate on public land. This is why there are the warnings at the check in office and the ban of +10 magazines.

plus, your gun is in plain view. they can't go searching in your car or closed up gun bag, but if the gun is sitting on the bench in plain view, the LEO can and will inspect it for compliance.

Why on Earth do Federal agents care about 10+ round mag?


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[stormvet]

Nothing like a little hit and run BS, OP was probably high fiving his lefty friends after he posted that.

Come on man you can do better then BS post and then run away. You got to stick around for at least two or three follow up post when your trying to sell a load of crap.

[shooter556]

Compliance with what? If its registered, its registered. If they suspect unregistered or prohibited person why wouldn't they get a warrant beforehand, so the case doesn't get thrown out in court if nothing else.

Unless someone is on parole, I don't think a warrantless search inside their home is permissible except in hot pursuit. Absent a warrant, they can ask to come in - and the answer is always a polite NO. If you have roommates, kids or spouses, make sure they understand that and do not give permission.

If it actually happens to you, stay calm and wait for a big payday after the lawsuit is settled.

I was under the impression he meant post 2014 rifles that were not registered.

[tonyxcom]

DOJ just left my house. Said my limited release pins weren't compliant but were impressed that all of my gas keys and castle nuts were staked. Also asked me why I still had the bullet buttons on my RAW's

[CandG]

I've got a few things to say about the story in the OP:

"I work at a California FFL and today one of our local high-ranking deputies let us know that the doj has set up a team for the next 10 months..."

So let me get this straight, you (some guy we don't know) work at a (unknown) gun store, and a "high ranking" deputy from an unknown agency, who doesn't work for DOJ, told you that someone at his work told him that someone at DOJ told him this. Sounds totally reliable and verifiable.

"...in our area..."

Which is... where?

"...to conduct warrantless door-to-door compliance checks..."

Without a warrant, they can ask me all the compliance questions they'd like to, through my front door, while I drink a beer and watch TV and ignore them. Sounds like a spectacularly well-thought-out use of agency funds, for an agency that is 10,000 cases behind schedule in their Armed Prohibited Persons department.

"...for assault style rifles."

You've been reading too much CNN.

"According to a contact into sheriff's dept, they have already filed 15 claims against people and one of them happens to also be a sheriff's deputy as well."

How would your sheriff know anything about the number of cases DOJ has filed? Why have ZERO of these cases come to light?

And what exactly is this supposed MASSIVE expenditure of agency money and manpower supposed to accomplish, again? Get maybe a dozen people charged with having a normal magazine release, probably to be plea-bargained down to misdemeanors since none of them are likely to have prior criminal history?



You will probably reason with us that, "You're just passing on what you heard, don't shoot the messenger," but the "messenger" is exactly the person who is to blame when FUD like this propagates.

Next time you hear something stupid like this, ask yourself "Does this make ANY sense?" If the answer isn't, "Yes, absolutely it makes sense", then kindly please don't spread it around to everyone else.


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[Bakerloo]

I think it's true. I heard the same thing at a poker game the other night.

[riderr]

Why on Earth do Federal agents care about 10+ round mag?


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If deputized by a local Sheriff, they can essentially enforce state laws on federal lands

[TRICKSTER]

I answered your question and gave examples of police using warrantless search twice over. What you choose to gloss over is up to you. Sure it can be FUD but Ive been to the range where the cops show up and start looking at mags and rifles. Wont be to far off to believe at order was given to search a few homes in that state. I actually hope its not FUD so people can see how far off the cliff Cali is going.

I asked for examples of this...

Incorrect.

Local or State Police can and have gone door to door with NO warrant alongside Fire Marshals. Look it up. It still happens today.

The discussion is about DOJ agents conducting door to door AW compliance checks without having warrants. But your lack of comprehension or thinking has somehow morphed that into searching for a specific mass killer where they were still asking permission to search, or inspections on public land or shooting ranges.

[Bull Elk]

Somebody is pulling someone's leg. You need a court issued warrant. I highly doubt the DOJ would be telling people outside of their circle that they would be conducting a crack down. It's not the way they work.

[CandG]

Oh ya, and I'll just leave this here:

CA PC 30605

(a) Any person who, within this state, possesses any assault weapon, except as provided in this chapter, shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail for a period not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.

(b) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), a first violation of these provisions is punishable by a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars ($500) if the person was found in possession of no more than two firearms in compliance with Section 30945 and the person meets all of the following conditions:

(1) The person proves that he or she lawfully possessed the assault weapon prior to the date it was defined as an assault weapon.

(2) The person has not previously been convicted of a violation of this article.

(3) The person was found to be in possession of the assault weapon within one year following the end of the one-year registration period established pursuant to Section 30900.

(4) The person relinquished the firearm pursuant to Section 31100, in which case the assault weapon shall be destroyed pursuant to Sections 18000 and 18005.

In other words, during the entire duration of the supposed "10 month long DOJ task force", all they can do is confiscate any firearms they find that should've been registered but weren't, and pass out $500 fines. They can't even make arrests unless they find additional laws were broken.

[CSACANNONEER]

I heard that DOJ was going to start doing this in TWO WEEKS. At least that's what DOJ told me when I called and asked.

[RickD427]

This is not accurate. Librarian provided a link to a case law allowing LEO to search bags, which are solely designed for guns.

Riderr,

The law in question is PC 25850(b) (formerly 12031(e)). People v DeLong is the case that extended it to be a search authority.

But it only works in incorporated cities and in county areas where shooting is prohibited.

It doesn't work on a shooting range, where shooting is permitted, outside of city limits.

[RickD427]

If deputized by a local Sheriff, they can essentially enforce state laws on federal lands

There is no need to be "deputized."

A federal agent can enforce state statutes on federal lands located within the state under the Assimilative Crimes Act (18 USC 13) without any need of "deputization." Such state law violations are prosecuted in federal court. A police chief or sheriff is powerless to prevent a federal agent from acting under the ACA.

A federal agents, other than BLM personnel, can also make arrests for state law violations under the conditions described in PC 830.8 without need of "deputization." Such cases get prosecuted in state court.

The only place where a federal agent needs the authorization of a police chief or sheriff is the case of a BLM agent who wishes to prosecute cases in state court and other federal agents acting outside the scope of PC 830.8 who wish to prosecute in state court.

A couple of years ago, the El Dorado County Sheriff found it appropriate to withhold PC 830.0 powers from the BLM following several instances of abuse. It was good for some press exposure, but that was about it.

[Mayor McRifle]

How does anyone do warrantless door to door check? With no warrant he will not make it past the front door. What am I missing?

Uninformed citizens will give consent for the searches.

[Ron-Solo]