!!!DOJ WARNING!!! DOJ WARNING!!!

[SAD338]

Going forward, I'll just get my DOJ related news from gun shows.

[RickD427]

So
"DOJ":"hi we are here to verify compliance with the AWB"
ME: "hi, do you have a warrant?"
"DOJ": "yeah"
ME: "one sec while I verify that" *calls 911* "some people dressed as law enforcement are outside, asking to come inside, can you verify?"

Is a reasonable response?


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It really depends on the patience level of the officers and their assessment of risk attached to the warrant service.

Generally when we serve warrants, you'll hear a knock on the door followed by "Sheriff's Department, we have a search warrant and demand entry." We'll allow a brief period for the door to be opened from the inside and then we'll open it from the outside.

You can ask "wait a minute..." but you'll probably have a number of agents blow by you to secure the interior of the location while other agents are detaining you. Depending on the risk assessment of the agents, you're probably not going to be permitted to make any phone calls. Please refer to the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Muehler v Mena for a good discussion of the permitted detention conditions of persons present at the scene of a search warrant.

The key thing about a search warrant is that the judge has already authorized the search activities and persons at the scene just don't have any say left in the matter.

Of course, it's not always necessary, or appropriate, to serve warrants in the most officious way permitted by law. In low-risk, business type settings, I've often found it advantageous to allow the person in control of the location to call their attorney prior to serving the warrant.

But warrants involving potentially illegal assault weapons aren't going to fall into that category.

[ugimports]

that will work out well.

anyone that tries to knock down my door without first showing a warrant will be met with steel tipped lead projectiles regardless of what they yell out. anyone can yell out they are police when kicking a door down, it doesn't mean they are.

I have to wonder why folks think this is how it will happen. (not just to you who I've quoted, but I read a lot of people on calguns that respond similarly). If I were an LEO doing this type of entry I'd just wait until the person left. Why do it when they are at home and risk confrontation if the whole reason I'm there is because I believe they are armed?

[Exdc]

It really depends on the patience level of the officers and their assessment of risk attached to the warrant service.



Generally when we serve warrants, you'll hear a knock on the door followed by "Sheriff's Department, we have a search warrant and demand entry." We'll allow a brief period for the door to be opened from the inside and then we'll open it from the outside.



You can ask "wait a minute..." but you'll probably have a number of agents blow by you to secure the interior of the location while other agents are detaining you. Depending on the risk assessment of the agents, you're probably not going to be permitted to make any phone calls. Please refer to the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Muehler v Mena for a good discussion of the permitted detention conditions of persons present at the scene of a search warrant.



The key thing about a search warrant is that the judge has already authorized the search activities and persons at the scene just don't have any say left in the matter.



Of course, it's not always necessary, or appropriate, to serve warrants in the most officious way permitted by law. In low-risk, business type settings, I've often found it advantageous to allow the person in control of the location to call their attorney prior to serving the warrant.



But warrants involving potentially illegal assault weapons aren't going to fall into that category.

Wow. Thank you for the detailed and thoughtful reply. I appreciate the information as it can help reduce anxiety if it actually happens and help me to respond more calmly.


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[Cokebottle]

But warrants involving potentially illegal assault weapons aren't going to fall into that category.

Even though those weapons were not illegal 3 months ago, and nothing has changed in the owner's criminal record?

[gaberaynes]

So I have to relay this it was confirmed to me by a super reliable source this morning that they are going door to door and a situation that lead up to the arrest.

Here’s the situation a buddy of mine was at his local Starbucks talking about how he is not going to comply and was overheard by one of the workers. The worker decided to call local PD and advise them of what he heard and tell them he didn’t feel safe in his “safe space”.

Local PD goes to my buddies house and tells him they need to do a compliance check and due to probable cause of the threats they are investigating terrorist threats.

My buddy told them they first needed a warrant they in turn said no they didn’t due to the patriot act. They then forced there way in and cleared the house with weapons drawn. Once cleared they proceeded to go through the house and found my buddies gun safe. They asked him to open it or he would be charged with obstructing Justice. So he tells him no I do not consent. They told him he consented as soon as he be came a terrorist.

They then broke the safe open and started to check everything in there until all the sudden another officer started yelling to them to come quick they found it.

My buddy was dragged into the kitchen and the thrown to the ground the officers started hitting him and telling him to stop resisting his wife tried to come to his aid, but quickly received same outcome. That’s when the dog came running up and was shot and killed . The children horrified and shocked watched as there parents where ripped away from them and placed into cop cars and later hauled to jail.

The eldest son who was 9 years old was then questioned for over an hour about “where his parents got them” “how long have they had them” “ have they or there parents ever used them” etc..

The police took the kids and are now with cps and waiting for my buddies hearing.

I got a message from my buddy about his situation and decided to follow up on it. I went to the Starbucks and asked what had happened and was told that the do to the investigation they could not talk to anyone.

I then contacted my buddy and asked him what all charges they brought against him he told me that it was becuase he wasn’t in compliance with the new law.

So to all you neigh sayers just want to let you know you better get in compliance soon they are coming for you.

And you better do a better job then trying to hide the ones that aren’t in the kitchen cabinets.

God damn straws.

[Munky]

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[infini]

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FINALLY!! Some one that's got common sense and talking common sense.

[God Bless America]

So
"DOJ":"hi we are here to verify compliance with the AWB"
ME: "hi, do you have a warrant?"
"DOJ": "yeah"
ME: "one sec while I verify that" *calls 911* "some people dressed as law enforcement are outside, asking to come inside, can you verify?"

Is a reasonable response?


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Yes it is. As long as you stay there in the doorway until the police show up or the dispatcher verifies, it is entirely reasonable. They may not wait, but they can't really get too butthurt about it.

[DoctorLove]

Hide yo kids hide yo wife


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[DoctorLove]

And dogs too.


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[DoctorLove]

!!!DOJ WARNING!!! DOJ WARNING!!!

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[Exdc]

Sorry about your buddy's kids and dog. Your buddy wasn't smart enough to keep his mouth shut since he made the decision not to comply.


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[meno377]

[Munky]

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