Another Appendix holster FAILURE..........

[dommypls]

I've been carrying AIWB a 43 since I first started carrying. Half of these dudes commenting AIWB is bad are the same dudes that carry print an XD/1911 OWB under a shirt that fit them 20 years ago.

If it's comfortable and effective for you to carry, and you are efficient that way then so be it. Different strokes for different folks.

[Great Made America]

Carrying a cocealed gun without an external safety is just foolish as there are many safer options out there.

Unless of course you forget to use them.

In every qualification and training class I've attended, people attempt to holster without having engaged the manual safety, and attempt to shoot without having disengaged the safety. I've seen it so many times I've lost count.

The instructor's response? "Safeties will get you killed". Yet another opinion to draw from the truth tumbler. Or go with what works for you.

[OCEquestrian]

I've been carrying AIWB a 43 since I first started carrying. Half of these dudes commenting AIWB is bad are the same dudes that carry print an XD/1911 OWB under a shirt that fit them 20 years ago.
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Some of us are still in the same good shape we were in 20 years ago...

[Chewy65]

One thing no one comments on. Safer to first holster weapon and then hang the holstered weapon on the belt.

[dommypls]

One thing no one comments on. Safer to first holster weapon and then hang the holstered weapon on the belt.

THIS^^^^^

[dommypls]

Some of us are still in the same good shape we were in 20 years ago...

[code_blue]

One thing no one comments on. Safer to first holster weapon and then hang the holstered weapon on the belt.

Blindness to alternative reasoning outside of their own. Sounds very leftist in mentality, don't it?

[the Scholar]

I am guessing user error on this.

I don't have a CCW but do train fairly often and have been doing more and more from concealment using an AIWB. I personally use a P2000 9mm with an light LEM trigger and thumb the hammer when reholstering. I do prefer using a hammer fired pistol when doing AIWB but wouldn't hesitate carrying Glock 19 if I had one in AIWB as well. There is no prize for reholstering quickly, just take your time and make sure there isn't any obstructions and I think it's fine.

In my opinion, there are a lot of positives when carrying appendix. Firstly, you can visually see if there is something in the holster and if your clothing is moved out of the way much easier when the holster in the front of you. I have seen so many people searching for the holster by feel when it is on their 3:30 and beyond. I have watched people bury the muzzle directly into their hip trying to reholstering, blatantly pointing their pistols directly at themselves. Secondly, I feel that you are in much more control of your pistol when carrying at the 12:00 position. God forbid you are getting beat up and hunched over, you naturally cover your pistol with your body and can control it much more if in a struggle. If it is at 3:00 or beyond, it is hanging off your body where it would be easier for someone to grab it from behind. Lastly, it conceals so much better. Way less printing at 12:00, even with a larger sized pistol.

It's just a different option and not everyone will be comfortable with it.

[Jay-lee]

How is that even possible? Must have had his shirt caught in the trigger? Re-holstering is super important... pay more attention.

[OCEquestrian]

There is no prize for reholstering quickly, just take your time and make sure there isn't any obstructions and I think it's fine.

^^^^ Words of great wisdom

Firstly, you can visually see if there is something in the holster and if your clothing is moved out of the way much easier when the holster in the front of you.

Really? If you are carrying a concealed firearm you should be able to FEEL it in the holster!!!! A visual check?? Are you sure? Really?

I have seen so many people searching for the holster by feel when it is on their 3:30 and beyond. I have watched people bury the muzzle directly into their hip trying to reholstering, blatantly pointing their pistols directly at themselves.

1) Some morons carrying strong side may be flagging their legs / hip reholstering but when doing so, they are pointing the pistol at a far less vulnerable, sensitive and CRITICAL part of their bodies...
2) You should have enough muscle memory to find that holster without looking or flagging yourself.

Secondly, I feel that you are in much more control of your pistol when carrying at the 12:00 position. God forbid you are getting beat up and hunched over, you naturally cover your pistol with your body and can control it much more if in a struggle.

You have never done any weapons retention training or probably even boxing or martial arts training have you? We are not talking about High School where you get to roll into a ball on the ground and wait until the teacher comes to break up the fight. BTW.....when you are "hunched over", where is the muzzle of that gun pointing??

1) If you are getting beat up chances are you are facing your attacker or you will be as you naturally turn to respond or block the threat with your hands / arms and once you raise your arms, you have no way to protect the gun (strong side carry can be wrested / turned away and you can still use your arms/hands) are you have put it right there in the center of your body to be snatched. You cant turn your hip away from a snatch by a opponent you are facing and thereby limit your opponents ability to access the pistol.
2) Anyone who has ever been in a fight or has been properly trained knows YOU NEVER EVER ALLOW YOUR HEAD TO COME DOWN so that you cant see you opponent, so that you bring your head and face into easy striking distance of your opponents knee, bringing your head down so that your opponent can use his weight and leverage to force you to do a face plant into the ground. To force you onto the ground ON YOUR STOMACH at which time your opponent will pin you to the ground, pinning your gun between you and the ground WHERE YOU CANT GET IT! Bringing your head down and bending over seals your fate as you GIVE control of your body to your opponent and with the AIWC, you lose the ability to access your gun pinned under you much less draw it up and engage.
3) If your opponent is at contact distance, as you reach for your gun, it and your arm can be PINNED against your stomach / chest and then you are wrestling for the gun having given up leverage to you opponent, you are trying to bring the gun up against his weight and leverage to pin it down against you and take or or turn it into you and fire it. Strong side lets you turn your body away from the opponent moving the gun into a harder position to reach and having to get past your hands / arm to get it.

If it is at 3:00 or beyond, it is hanging off your body where it would be easier for someone to grab it from behind. Lastly, it conceals so much better.

1) This is why you use a strong side holster with a retention strap; you are able to trap it between your arm and body as you turn to meet the threat, using your entire body's strength to wrest it away from the snatch.
2) Concealment is concealment, printing is NOT against the law and if CCW legally, its a non issue.
3) The weakness of the AIWB system ismad worse by the fact that most all the AIWB holsters I have seen have no physical retention other than light tension or stomach folds.

ay less printing at 12:00, even with a larger sized pistol.

It's just a different option and not everyone will be comfortable with it.

Few people are trained well enough to overcome the weaknesses of AIWB carry in a CQB situation to make it tactically viable in my opinion. I know I am not.

[tomrkba]

The solutions are training, gear selection and possibly a hammer fired gun. Training and gear selection solve the problem, of course, but putting your thumb over a hammer gives instant feedback about that is going on with the gun.

The HK P30 and P30SK with Lite LEM trigger are excellent choices for AIWB.

[NIB]

I agree this would help...but in the gif I posted what I 'see' is he didn't lift the shirt to get the gun he reached for the gun and pulled it out and a WHOLE lot of shirt came out from underneath it.

This is my exact thought. The grey shirt seems to be a bit longer than what he pulled down after holstering.

This is not a Glock, holster, or method of carry problem. This is a situational awareness/attention to detail problem.

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[dommypls]

Few people are trained well enough to overcome the weaknesses of AIWB carry in a CQB situation to make it tactically viable in my opinion. I know I am not. [/QUOTE]

[Jwalt]

If you can't/won't learn the muscle memory needed to operate a manual safety when you pull your EDC, you shouldn't carry.

Anyone who can't/won't train to that level ABSOLUTELY should not carry AIWB. Of course, that's like saying "If you won't learn to drive, at least wear a seatbelt".

I can't carry. If Lindsey wins, I will most likely be carrying in a vertical shoulder holster. If not, it will be ankle. I drive strangers around for a living these days, often late at night. I can wear a light jacket and keep the AC in the front turned up.

Does that make it "The best way to carry"? Probably not for most people.

[OCEquestrian]

Few people are trained well enough to overcome the weaknesses of AIWB carry in a CQB situation to make it tactically viable in my opinion. I know I am not.

The way I view it, and the way most other people I work with who carry AIWB view it, is if you can’t trust yourself or equipment to carry AIWB, what difference does it make if it’s IWB at the 3-5 o’clock position. At some point even at the 3-5, muzzle is gonna be point somewhere down you leg.

Which is where we should all agree that it takes training/practice to get use to and be proficient with certain methods. Also attention to deal is a huge thing. But like I said, people have personal preferences and that’s on them.


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My position is that in a hand to hand confrontation, which you are more likely to be in than a gun fight, I dont feel comfortable with the weapons retention ability of AIWB and my ability to effectively access my gun IN THE MIDDLE of a fight if things escalate to where I would need it.

I have been shooting for 30 years, been competing USPSA/IDPA and 3 gun fro 20 years and have been actively training with a well respected LE / Military tactical school. I is no question that I could safely draw and holster with an AIWB. Defending yourself out and about involves a LOT more than just safely drawing and holstering.