When everyone says, "Just move".

[-hanko]

I can see how weaker people would just want to escape it all. That's what separates the men from the boys after all. The funny part is how they stay on CALguns and constantly tell others how right they are.

I love when people give me crap about where I live. You know what though? If any of you are ever in Berkeley, you'll know that you have at least one friend here. I'll give up this house and my guns when I die, not a second before that.

Enjoy wonderland. You'll likely spread that bit of California that rubbed off on you while you were here and ruin that too.

Weaker? You mean your wife won't let you leave or you can't find work out of the state? Moving is admittedly disruptive as hell, a major PITA, and scary to boot.

It actually takes cojones and the desire to find a better life, as you define it, for you and your family.

My "little bit" of California was left behind, after a decade and a half in Texas and the same here in Idaho.

I'm glad you're happy with Berkeley.

"Wiser" is the word you couldn't say because you simply are not.

I'd definitely use both "wiser" and, in my families case, "wealthier"...that includes both finances and in happiness in general.

That was a very nice post OP, but come on there is a part of you that thinks we are a bunch of fools to stay here. Hell, I'm here and think we are fools.

I wish my siblings would gtfo of California, but they're happy where they're at and we're about 1.5 hours away by cheap air fare, or around 10 hours by car. No big deal and birthdays and anniversaries rotate between Idaho, Danville, Lincoln, and the Hayward hills. Still lots of ftf contact as bils are all shooters and enjoy care packages from out of the state.

[JDay]

Weaker? You mean your wife won't let you leave or you can't find work out of the state? Moving is admittedly disruptive as hell, a major PITA, and scary to boot.

It actually takes cojones and the desire to find a better life, as you define it, for you and your family.

Exactly. I quit my job and I'm not even going to worry about finding work until we get settled in after our move. Things like this are what savings accounts are for.

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[reverser]

It obviously wasn't. You talk like a liberal desperately in need of a tampon. It's cool though, let the butthurt keep flowing.

My "little bit" of California was left behind, after a decade and a half in Texas and the same here in Idaho.

[Chapped Hide]

I'll give up this house and my guns when I die, not a second before that.

. Thanks, from free America!

[sakosf]

I can see how weaker people would just want to escape it all. That's what separates the men from the boys after all. The funny part is how they stay on CALguns and constantly tell others how right they are.

I love when people give me crap about where I live. You know what though? If any of you are ever in Berkeley, you'll know that you have at least one friend here. I'll give up this house and my guns when I die, not a second before that.

Enjoy wonderland. You'll likely spread that bit of California that rubbed off on you while you were here and ruin that too.

Whether to move or not is a personal decision to make and nobody should be faulted for moving or staying......nor post too much personal detail, on a internet forum of strangers, what lead them to their decision. It is informative to hear from those that did move, how they found things to be in the state they moved to.
The politics of Berkeley have moved too far left and the city has a few too many undesirables....in my opinion. The only gun shop I recall in Berkeley (on College Ave in Elmwood Dist) closed long ago....as did a Russian restaurant across the street from that gun shop that I was a patron of whenever I was in Berkeley. The city is the home of the flag ship of the UC system.....unfortunately, a few too many leftist professors & like minded administrators are @ UCB. I like the variety cafe's & the cultural amenities the city has to offer and like exploring on foot, some of the tree lined streets of older homes. Staying put in Berkeley is what works for you and I can understand that.....just as I can understand for others, like Hanko, they choose another path that worked for them

[nitroxdiver]

I can see how weaker people would just want to escape it all. That's what separates the men from the boys after all.

I'll continue to support the calguns community, in spite of attitudes such as this.


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[CiaoKing]

5.) You allow yourselves to get extorted by criminal thugs:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1372551

http://www.kcra.com/article/things-to-know-about-the-program-sacramento-hopes-with-curb-gun-violence/12122507

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[jdogg2000]

Count me in as another native Californian who has finally built up enough courage to leave most of the people I know and a position at work that took me years to get to. It is so much work and some sacrifice, but whenever i think about all the things I will soon gain, the California chain around my neck becomes lighter and lighter.

[JDay]

I can see how weaker people would just want to escape it all. That's what separates the men from the boys after all.

A weaker man stays because that's the easy thing to do.

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[oddball]

I can see how weaker people would just want to escape it all. That's what separates the men from the boys after all.

Those of us who have left or are planning the escape do not want to be slaves. We do not want to remain in prison voluntarily, what an insane notion. If one wants to stay, and get along with the guards and play ball, fine, choose that life.

To escape to the unknown, to completely change one's environment for a better life is part of the human condition; from the cavemen, throughout world history, man has always migrated to better living conditions. Ironically California was one of those destinations. Today is no different. And yes, it is easier to stay put, not change, and adapt to the punches thrown at you. And the punches are not going to stop.

And you live in Berkeley? Stockholm Syndrome, indeed.

[-hanko]

It obviously wasn't. You talk like a liberal desperately in need of a tampon. It's cool though, let the butthurt keep flowing.

Tampons and butthurt. A very apropos response given your location and / or proclivities.

I'll continue to support the calguns community, in spite of attitudes such as this.

Same here...via NRA-ILA with all funds directed at California.

Count me in as another native Californian who has finally built up enough courage to leave most of the people I know and a position at work that took me years to get to. It is so much work and some sacrifice, but whenever i think about all the things I will soon gain, the California chain around my neck becomes lighter and lighter.

Mine feels like a piece of string at this point.

A weaker man stays because that's the easy thing to do.

^Thread.

[Jimi Jah]

Dump Prop 13 and I'm the first to sell and move. Are you listening, Excremento?

[langss]

Three years ago I had the option of moving out of California. I had two items to work with. So within those limitations, I started doing my "Homework". The "First" was I had two states that would allow the use of my Wife's Retirement Guaranteed health insurance. This was key to me being able to retire. The "Second" was of those two states, which one had the best options for "Not" following California's Gun Control Insanity and Smog Laws.... The bottom line after careful examination and trips to visit favorable areas was, I was better off staying here and getting on with my life. So to those who say "Just Move"...... That is fine if your 20-30 years old and still have a lot of time to work and build a retirement. You can make a mistake and easily recover from it, but its not as easy to recover if your at retirement age or already retired. As always, just my .02.

[Jimmy's]

I did it at 54 and I'm fine but if your mindset tells you that you can't then by all means stay where you are at.

[beanz2]

Three years ago I had the option of moving out of California. I had two items to work with. So within those limitations, I started doing my "Homework". The "First" was I had two states that would allow the use of my Wife's Retirement Guaranteed health insurance. This was key to me being able to retire. The "Second" was of those two states, which one had the best options for "Not" following California's Gun Control Insanity and Smog Laws.... The bottom line after careful examination and trips to visit favorable areas was, I was better off staying here and getting on with my life. So to those who say "Just Move"...... That is fine if your 20-30 years old and still have a lot of time to work and build a retirement. You can make a mistake and easily recover from it, but its not as easy to recover if your at retirement age or already retired. As always, just my .02.

The issue is not only the current CA situation, but also where it is going to become in 10-15 years. This runaway liberal train is heading for a wreck. If you cannot move out of state in your 60's, you will be less capable of moving at 75. Don't be deluded that the current political situation in CA will remain the way it is until you die. Consider that the expected life expectancy in US white males is 84 and, in white females, 88, by the way.