Natural disaster, confiscation

[k1dude]

Interesting. But the disaster in California that could cause evacuation and martial law would be a 8.0 earthquake. I don't think there would be any widespread confiscation since they couldn't access most houses easily because too many roads would be impassible. There could also be fires burning out of control.
If things get to this sort of scenario CADOJ agents have better things to do such as protecting their own families. During hurricane Katrina half of the police force didn't report for duty.

As repeatedly pointed out in this thread, post Katrina LEO's still found the time to do just that despite the overwhelming need for them to be doing anything but. I would say the probability of gun grabbing by LEO's in the greater LA metro area and the Bay Area is pretty much guaranteed. Current law be damned.

[Supersapper]

Am talking about Cops and the Guard kicking down Americans doors makes them no better than terrotists...

Bounty--I can't speak for cops, but for the Guard, you won't find many folks willing to go kicking in doors and knocking down tables. They'll simply get out before they willingly comply with confiscation.

In an earthquake scenario, which, by the way, the Cal Guard has and continues to train for, we assume that the affected areas would have 3-5% muster strength because we're either dead, protecting families or hamstrung by damage. We call in sister states to assist, like they did in Katrina.

Under the presumption that the Guard unit finds a group of Soldiers even willing to go looking for guns, they'll TRY to go confiscating unattended firearms, but they are NOT going to sift through rubble in dangerously unstable buildings looking for guns that are very likely damaged anyway. Safes buried in floors or under concrete fallen walls will stay there.

Under the Guard scenario, we will be unable to mobilize for various reasons for 1-2 weeks...mainly infrastructure damage, logistics, out of state muster and command set up.

At that point, we'll be dealing with nomadic bands of armed thugs looking to prey upon the sheep. Crowds of folks just trying to get out of the area, refugee and survivor food camps, etc.

Obviously, if in the course of patrolling, we see stacks of rifles and unattended sh** just laying there in the open, we're going to pick it up. We don't want the bad guys to pick it up and use it against us or others, but I can assure you that we aren't going to have time to sift through rubble, expending critical resources looking for people's things that may or may not exist. No one I have charge over is going to start taking 4473s and going to addresses looking for guns "by order of the commander".

Even if they did manage to order it legally, I guarantee you that they won't find anything but a damaged, empty safe

[bounty1]

Bounty--I can't speak for cops, but for the Guard, you won't find many folks willing to go kicking in doors and knocking down tables. They'll simply get out before they willingly comply with confiscation.

In an earthquake scenario, which, by the way, the Cal Guard has and continues to train for, we assume that the affected areas would have 3-5% muster strength because we're either dead, protecting families or hamstrung by damage. We call in sister states to assist, like they did in Katrina.

Under the presumption that the Guard unit finds a group of Soldiers even willing to go looking for guns, they'll TRY to go confiscating unattended firearms, but they are NOT going to sift through rubble in dangerously unstable buildings looking for guns that are very likely damaged anyway. Safes buried in floors or under concrete fallen walls will stay there.

Under the Guard scenario, we will be unable to mobilize for various reasons for 1-2 weeks...mainly infrastructure damage, logistics, out of state muster and command set up.

At that point, we'll be dealing with nomadic bands of armed thugs looking to prey upon the sheep. Crowds of folks just trying to get out of the area, refugee and survivor food camps, etc.

Obviously, if in the course of patrolling, we see stacks of rifles and unattended sh** just laying there in the open, we're going to pick it up. We don't want the bad guys to pick it up and use it against us or others, but I can assure you that we aren't going to have time to sift through rubble, expending critical resources looking for people's things that may or may not exist. No one I have charge over is going to start taking 4473s and going to addresses looking for guns "by order of the commander".

Even if they did manage to order it legally, I guarantee you that they won't find anything but a damaged, empty safe

Thanks so much for the response Pard.I appreciate it....

[Subotai]

As repeatedly pointed out in this thread, post Katrina LEO's still found the time to do just that despite the overwhelming need for them to be doing anything but. I would say the probability of gun grabbing by LEO's in the greater LA metro area and the Bay Area is pretty much guaranteed. Current law be damned.

That's why you never keep all your guns in one place. They can only confiscate what they find.

[Jimi Jah]

For the cops to confiscate your guns, don't they need to know that you have them first? What about those 80% that never went through the system?

Will they use metal detectors inside your home to find all those secret firearms? Will they present a warrent for entering and searching?

[Brush Guard]

A lot of California folks have large and expensive collections. A lot of Cali folks are rich and have very large collections.

I’m guessing that the collections some of us have are much larger than the average Katrina victim had.

I’m guessing that a lot of California owners who have dedicated a large portion of their time, money and indeed their lives to their 2nd amendment passion, would not be willing to simply allow their guns to be confiscated.

It seems like the potential California confiscators / traitors, would be taking a large risk, in many ways.

I bet there many in this state who would go down fighting.

I pray to God that our brave service men are never ordered by short sighted traitors, to violate our right to protect ourselves from the animals who live amongst us, who will riot at the drop of a hat, let alone a disaster.

[SVT-40]

Hopefully that quake just snaps off LA & it sinks.

LOL...

Hopefully all of Ca snaps off, and sinks....It would be nice to have some beach front property in AZ...

If the big one happens in Ca. I hope Az sets up a border blockade to prevent more Ca madness coming east.

[slugbuster]

I would think LEO and the national guard will have plenty more to worry about than knocking on your door. During the LA riots people were protecting their property and businesses from looters with firearms and they faced no confiscation threat. What if you don't answer the door? Are they going to kick it in and search your residence?

[God Bless America]

LOL...

Hopefully all of Ca snaps off, and sinks....It would be nice to have some beach front property in AZ...

If the big one happens in Ca. I hope Az sets up a border blockade to prevent more Ca madness coming east.

Shouldn't you be doing something else, besides wishing CA residents ill, on a CA gun board?

Have you nothing better to do in the land of AZZ?



Go bother some other state please, like maybe your own.

[pacrat]

Shouldn't you be doing something else, besides wishing CA residents ill, on a CA gun board?

Have you nothing better to do in the land of AZZ?



Go bother some other state please, like maybe your own.

If the big one happens in Ca. I hope Az sets up a border blockade to prevent more Ca madness coming east.

Typical behavior of an Ex-Krapofornian Public Service Union Employee.

Who are considered "SPECIAL CLASS" while here, and were instrumental in creating the crap in KrapOfornia.

Then running away with their loot in the form of citizen tax dollars [pension]. To more tax friendly and freedom minded states. And then calling for "Border Blockade" to keep other people just like him, from doing the same thing he did.

The absofreak'nlute epitome of hypocrisy.

[Notpc]

Why do most folks on here think that California only consists of LA and San Fran? California is way bigger (3X) than Louisiana, and much of it still rural. There will not be enough law enforcement and national guard to do much out in the boonies.

[amd64]

If When the BIG ONE hits in California there will be 163,696 sq miles for law enforcement and emergency services to deal with. This would be a statewide emergency. Very little of California would be unaffected. Now compare this with the square miles affected my Katrina, 90,000. I don't think there will be time for them to pull the same thing they did in New Orleans; with the exception of the high population areas, maybe.

+1, and fixed the "If".

Katrina will be a small and minor inconvenience compared to an infrastructure destroying EQ hitting SoCal that disrupts services for a week or so and sets the basin on fire.

[buckeyeborn]

It would be nice to get Sacofpotatoes too

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[buckeyeborn]

Sacramento too

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[RickD427]

Why do most folks on here think that California only consists of LA and San Fran? California is way bigger (3X) than Louisiana, and much of it still rural. There will not be enough law enforcement and national guard to do much out in the boonies.

Because the decision making processes of our state government are proportional to population only.

It doesn't matter a bit how big the state is. Enough votes to decide pretty much any issue are resident within the L.A. and Bay Area population centers. You don't gotta go any farther than that.

It might be different if California state had something equivalent to the Electoral College, or the U.S. Senate (Two senators per state regardless of population) that would provide a geographic equity to government, but we don't. California government is all based on population equity and that means the rest of the state don't count for much.