LAPD Duty Weapons

[rips31]

5.7x28 may tumble but civilians can only purchase lead free hollow point basically turning it into a .22 hollow point round. FMJ was designated AP as it can go through vests.

ss192/195 (what you call hollow point rounds) yaws/tumbles, but doesn't expand/frag like a standard hollow point. just b/c it's billed as a hollow point doesn't mean it performs significantly different than the ss190. the primary mechanism for 5.7x28 ammo is yaw/tumble, just like it's relative, the .223rem.

ss196/197 will frag/expand. you are probably thinking of this round when you compare it to a .22 hollow point, instead of the ss192/195.

ss192/195 can go thru certain vests. heck, a .22 may go thru some vests under the right conditions. and the off-duty leo that i know that carry a fiveseven use ss192/195 (and even some for duty). but for duty rounds, they all generally carry the restricted ss190 (designated ap).

[rorschach]

This only applies to back-up weapons. Off duty, CHP can carry anything they want, no qualifications required ..

FYI

That policy must have changed since last I cracked open a manual.

Per my copy of HPM 70.8, Annex C rev 5-96

AUTHORIZED OFF-DUTY FIREARMS LIST

SEMIAUTOMATICS

9mm Luger
Astra A-75, A-90
Beretta 92 Series (F,FC,DF,SB,SB-F,SF)
Browning BDA
Colt Double Eagle
Heckler & Koch P7 Series (M8, M13), USP
Ruger P series (84,85,89,90,91,93), KP series (93,94)
Sig Sauer P Series (220,225,226,228,229)
Smith & Wesson (only those with 3 or 4 digit model #s)
Walther P Series (4,5,88)

10mm (FBI Load Only)
Colt Double Eagle
Smith & Wesson (only those models with 4 digit model #s)

.40 Smith & Wesson Caliber
Astra A-75, A90
Beretta 96F
Colt Double Eagle
Heckler & Koch P7M10, USP
Ruger KP-91, KP-94
Sig Sauer P-229
Smith & Wesson (only those models with 4 digit model #s)

.45ACP Caliber
Colt Double Eagle
Ruger KP-90
Smith & Wesson (only those models with 4 digit model #s)

REVOLVERS
.38/.357/9mm/10mm/45 Auto Revolvers (Blue or Stainless Only)
Smith & Wesson (steel frames only)
Colt (.357 Magnum frames only)
Ruger

I know a later list had been updated with Glock and a few others, but I dont have a copy of it. Maybe now they dont even have a list anymore, and they CAN carry whatever they want now. Will advise.

[Mike-4]

Yes, that off-duty list was eliminated a couple of years later. This was based on a court case involving I if I recall correctly, the Orange County Sheriff's Deputies Assoc, regarding the Dept's authority in regulating what an officer could carry off duty. I believe the jist of the case was an LEO was already authorized to carry off duty by statute, not Dept authority. Since he/she is not compensated while off duty, the Dept could not regulate what he or she had to carry. I could be off on this but I believe that was the crux of the issue.

regards

[asintado]

So any law enforcement officer regardless of department or agency can carry any off duy weapon of his choosing?

[lazyman]

LAPD SWAT does have a Barrett in their inventory. Ronnie Barrett refuses to provide any parts/support for it since Bratton publicly endorsed AB50.

To answer the comment above, the only time officers are allowed to fire their weapons are to protect themselves or others from death and or great bodily injury, this includes fleeing felons who if they escape, may inflict death or great bodily injury. Believe it or not, but officers can also fire to kill large wounded animals. About 20 years ago, at the scene of a horse trailer accident, a CHP officer was killed when his partner tried to shoot the gravely wounded horse, and the round ricocheted off the horses skull and hit the other officer in the head.

Shots cannot be fired to stop pursuits, and the City of L.A. (though not much different) is not Afghanistan.

CORRECTION: The CHP officer killed was Officer Dana Paladini, and it was over 30 years ago, not 20, and he was shot by an LA County deputy sheriff. http://www.camemorial.org/htmprev/paladini.htm

at my AJ class my teacher was lapd for like 30 years or something like that. He said in the 60's they used to shoot at fleeing criminals.

[rorschach]

at my AJ class my teacher was lapd for like 30 years or something like that. He said in the 60's they used to shoot at fleeing criminals.

They still can. But it must be a felon who an officer believes will cause death or great bodily injury if they flee. Of course, back in the good ol' days I'm sure it was open for broader interpretation.

[Mike-4]

So any law enforcement officer regardless of department or agency can carry any off duy weapon of his choosing?

I won't go that far as to say that. I just know in this particular case, the CHP dropped its off duty weapon regulations based on the Orange County Sheriff's Deputies Association court ruling. I wish I had specifics to provide but this happened approx 6-8 years ago.

I don't know and won't say it applies to all agencies / LEO's. I heard that there are agencies in CA that regulate what their officers carry off duty. Why their not bound by this particular court ruling I don't know. This is just for CHP.

[pnkssbtz]

What about the sherrif's department?

I got T-Boned in the side in Norwalk/Santa Fe Springs by a underaged kid with no insurance, and the responding sherrif had a gun on each hip and one on his ankle...

It was like the wild west =P

[gn3hz3ku1*]

i always see motorcycle cops with some long gun folded... what type of gun is that?

[ibanezfoo]

at my AJ class my teacher was lapd for like 30 years or something like that. He said in the 60's they used to shoot at fleeing criminals.

I worked in a print shop that printed the handbooks for LAPD... back in the late 90's you could shoot fleeing criminals too, according to the book. There were a few guidelines, of course.

-Bryan

[arod7615]

i know couple lasd deputys who carry on duty hk usp 45 and now there also allowed to carry hk p2000 in 9mm.You do get a berretta issued to you when your in the academy you have to requalify with either gun.

[DedEye]

The LAPD recruiters I saw had Beretta 92Fs.

[bluestaterebel]

While in downtown Los Angeles less than 2 weeks ago, I saw a motorcycle LAPD officer with a holstered 1911, very clear to see (no, he was not working Hollywood set-duty). And about 2 years ago, I saw an LAPD officer, looked to be in his early 30s, in the Hollywood area, responding to a minor break-in at one of my tenant's apartments, where he was clearly carrying a SIG ( it looked to be a 229 ).

But mostly, I have only seen Berettas, Glocks and a few Smiths. Ex LAPD police officer I work with states she was trained with and issued a Beretta.

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i seriously doubt that. i am not going to question your expertese in recognizing handguns. but lapd coppers do not carry sigs. and motorcops do not carry 1911's...maybe you indeed identified the weapon but the guy was not lapd. my buddy works up in hollyood as a security guard and carrys a sig, his uniform is very simlar to lapds and could have been confused as you were drooling over the sig la school pd can and do carry 1911s, i almost had a heart attack the first time i saw that

[Sheldon]

i always see motorcycle cops with some long gun folded... what type of gun is that?

Shotgun probably.

[odesskiy]

Another thread came back from the dead....