Cops have bombs?

[dustoff31]

I know that they think they are and they like the state funerals and all the pomp and circumstance, but they are not paramilitary.

Why the name-calling? Am I goring your ox by using the term "civilian law enforcement"? Why is that upsetting you?

On topic, because this "cops are paramilitary" mindset is why cops should not be allowed to have bombs or military eqipment. That's what the National Guard is for. Military stuff with mitary equipment.

When deployed in state status in support of civil authority, you know that the national guard are "cops" right?

I suppose you also know that when deployed on civil disturbance missions even when federalized, they are prohibited from deploying with HE grenades and such. They are not even allowed to deploy with automatic weapons.

[WyattandDoc]

Nice to see how LEO reacts to those who do not buy into the LEO v. civilian mindset.

It is not LEO versus us. LEO are us.

That's why no bombs for you. You have lost your perspective.

Sir, the only person who's lost perspective on here, is you. We get that we are part of the citizenry. We are your neighbors, family members and friends who happen to don uniforms as part of our job. We get that.

What your not understanding, is that it's our responsibility and duty to end sometimes very ugly situations with sometimes uglier means. That's the sad reality of our society on occasion. There was NO WAY those Dallas coppers were going to take ANY CHANCE WHAT-SO-EVER to allow that guy to take another life. LE or civilian. Plain and simple.

It's no different than LAPD taking more sophisticated, high powered weapons from the local gun store to end the problem. Dallas P.D saw the potential for further loss of innocent lives and brought some C-4 into the fight. Only guy that bought it after that was the terrorist. End of story.

Food for thought. If the sniper was a terrorist from Syria, this "Cops Have Bombs?" thread would have never been started. And you know it. Domestic Terrorists and International Terrorists are equals.

[Doheny]

A lot of us, including me, have done both of them. So I don't care about your angry little opinion regarding either of them.

Dude, it's CalGuns. Everybody's an expert; you should know that.

[SVT-40]

Nice to see how LEO reacts to those who do not buy into the LEO v. civilian mindset.

Cops are civilians too.

It is not LEO versus us. LEO are us.

Yup... I don't know any LEO's who believe it's a Us v them world...Unless the "them" are the criminals who victimize the good citizens of our country...

That's why no bombs for you. You have lost your perspective.

Thankfully smarter, and less biased people make those decisions...

One mass murderer gets blown up by a resourceful SWAT team and people go nuts... Some think next cops in patrol cars will be tossing bombs out on every petty criminal they run across...

Seriously dude, take a chill pill....

As for the "paramilitary"

Look up the definition of "para" There are a few..

In this case, the definition "resembling" is most appropriate..

Police are "Paramilitary" for the rank structure that is employed. Because it resembles a military rank structure....as well as a few other tasks...

[I Swan]

I can see how the use of the explosive device looked excessive from the point of view of folks watching it on TV while lounging on the couch in their favorite onesie with a bowl of ice cream on their lap.

I prefer to leave it to the police who are actually there dealing with the problem to decide what is reasonable or in the best interests of public safety.

I was actually wearing a Snuggie sans underwear and eating Oreos. I took a break from playing COD, picked up my bullet button equiped AR and fondled it and told my mom how I would have handled the situation.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

I was actually wearing a Snuggie sans underwear and eating Oreos. I took a break from playing COD, picked up my bullet button equiped AR and fondled it and told my mom how I would have handled the situation.

And with that comment, you just won the internetz!

[pacrat]

GBA, you have entered into a verbal battle you cannot win. Because you chose a semantics battle. Based on an incorrect premise. You have built your view on incorrect lexical definitions. See [2] in the quote.


[a] Are cops "Civilian Law Enforcement".........Definitely Correct.

[b] Are they para-military...........................Also definitely correct.

Solely because they have a "military like" organizational structure. Not because they are, or function as a "military unit". Add [a] & [b] and you get what cops are. Para-military Civilian Law Enforcement. Based solely on structure.

Which has nothing to do with job description of either military or civilian.

Cops have a required "Academy" prior to service. Soldiers have "Boot Camp". Police agencies have patrolmen/deputies. Army has "privates". Next step is, some agencies have Cpls others don't, they have tiers. Both have Sgts, Lts, Cpts, some have Majors, [IIRC Dallas does].

Is "Us v Them" real? Yes, it is a growing concern among citizens.

But it has nothing to do with the phony made up "Militarization of Police".

That is just another fabricated catch phrase made up by Bias Stream Media. Like "Saturday Night Special" was. The more crap they can create between citizens and police. The more headlines they get to print. And talking head sound bytes they get on the tube.

[Picture] 100 citizens "peacefully" marching down the street, chanting slogans, carrying signs, whatever, without blocking traffic or infringing on the rights of other citizens. With some cops standing by warily "just in case" there is any disturbances that require them.

Nothing 'NEWS WORTHY" to see here folks. And the Media gives minimal coverage at best. Like Dallas a few days ago. Just prior to the terrorist attack.

Wankers like Pres. O-hole, #BLM, New Black Panthers, Sharpton, Jackson, any of the "Hands Up Don't Shoot" crowd intentionally fomenting violence against cops. WITH the assisatance of the BSM and their "militarization of police" claims. Inciting riots, tipping over cars, arson, looting, rocks, bottles, etc thrown at cops.

[Now picture] 50 of these racial radicals doing the things listed above, and police responding with tear gas, bean bags, rubber bullets, etc. Some blood is spilled on both sides. Property is damaged, arrests are made, ambulances are called to scene.

BINGO, NOW WE GOTS US SOME NEWS TO COVER. And the camera whore vultures begin circling to document their handywork.

The cities bleed, the citizens bleed, the cops bleed, and the only happy people involved are carrying cameras and getting fat off of the violence they foment.

It is important for citizens to not allow themselves to become butt puppets of camera whores.

JM2c

[Michael777]

You know some redneck strapped a remote activated bomb onto a remote control car. Mount a iPhone doing FaceTime for navigation and you are good to go.

[God Bless America]

Thanks Pacrat but we will have to agree to disagree.

There is no winning any battles on the internet. I am satisfied that I have made my point, which was eventually met with insults. When the insults come out, then it's time to move on.

Some LEO are OK with the fact that LE in the US is civilian. Others act as though something is being taken away from them when they hear that. Those that choke on the prospect of being mere civilians, are part of the reason why the public complains about the militarization of LE.

[UberPatriot]

I was actually wearing a Snuggie sans underwear and eating Oreos. I took a break from playing COD, picked up my bullet button equiped AR and fondled it and told my mom how I would have handled the situation.

Sig worthy ^^^

[I Swan]

Sig worthy ^^^

Thanks, I try.

[I Swan]

You know some redneck strapped a remote activated bomb onto a remote control car. Mount a iPhone doing FaceTime for navigation and you are good to go.

Reminds me of that scene from The Dead Pool with Clint Eastwood. One good definition I've seen is if you are not subject to the UCMJ you are a civilian.

[pacrat]

Thanks Pacrat but we will have to agree to disagree.

There is no winning any battles on the internet. I am satisfied that I have made my point, which was eventually met with insults. When the insults come out, then it's time to move on.

Some LEO are OK with the fact that LE in the US is civilian. Others act as though something is being taken away from them when they hear that. Those that choke on the prospect of being mere civilians, are part of the reason why the public complains about the militarization of LE.

GBA, I think you would find some insightfull reading in this thread starting at IIRC post #72 by member "JDay". Where the discussion of LEO as "civilian" begins.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1100712&page=2

Police who incorrectly use the word "Civilian" to denote a class distinction between themselves and average citizens. Are driving a verbal wedge between themselves and average citizens. This promotes the "Us v Them" agenda which must be avoided if trust and respect is to return between the two groups.

JM2c

[Michael777]

Reminds me of that scene from The Dead Pool with Clint Eastwood. One good definition I've seen is if you are not subject to the UCMJ you are a civilian.

Also a scene in scarface where they use one. Not to mention it's a kill steak weapon in COD.

[pacrat]

Reminds me of that scene from The Dead Pool with Clint Eastwood. One good definition I've seen is if you are not subject to the UCMJ you are a civilian.

And Michael777's reference to "Scarface"....1983.

And that is the definition of the word civilian in all the worlds dictionaries. Until 1993, when the continued incorrect common misusage by police officers prompted. Publishers to include LE as other than civilians. It is still today an incorrect usage yet, it is in the dictionary.

And that explains why in "The Dead Pool... 1988". That was before the word was bastardized.

Look up "Ain't" in the dictionary. It is a bastardization between the contractions "aren't and isn't". Nobody considers it a correct or proper English word among even rudimentary educated individuals?

And to keep this thread on track. I'm glad the our civilian police learned themselves a new terrorist fighting trick. Send in Deputy Johnny 5-0. BOOM dead turd. Me like it.

JM2c