Never mind

[deephouse]

And that's a wrap folks!


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[smak28]

Does the 5 sales include trades?

Yes

[smak28]

Forget what I posted, I should have just mind my own business. I'm sorry I wasted your time. I'll delete my follow up posts above.

OP - Posts are always welcome in the forum, but it cannot be digested by readers without facts backing it, because there is so much FUD on so many topics and not just yours. Don't get discouraged, but take it as a learning experience. I learned the hard way

[Cokebottle]

Does the 5 sales include trades?

It doesn't matter whether the compensation is cash, another gun, or a car (don't laugh, I traded a vehicle for a box of computer parts in '89)

5 (disposition) transactions per calendar year.
You can sell 50 guns if you have 5 buyers who each buy 10, but you can't sell 6 to 6 different buyers.

This only applies to handguns.

[sidelock]

Cite them, or you're peddling FUD.

If they are actual cases, they can be cited by name and case-number on CA Court Filing records which can be looked up online. If you also know of them, that means you can cite them.

Otherwise it's baseless rumor, the kind of crap peddled by MotherJones and MoveOn.org shills.

I don't have to prove anything I stated, believe it or not got nothing to do with my personal interest. I don't gain anything by convincing you.

Forget what I posted, I should have just mind my own business. I'm sorry I wasted your time. I'll delete my thread. Go ahead and do whatever you like, just don't get caught.

Or, maybe you deserve to get caught, so some of my lawyer friends will get more business, and that DOJ inspector will get promoted to another office.

[TKM]

Come back and fight ya weenie.

[IncVoid]

Impossible,

DOJ requires seller name and address as well as DL info.. They pretty much scan a DL for both parties when they do a PPT.

Second of all, the ATF requires the FFL log in who brought the gun into their book.

The only way I can see this happening is if am FFL convinces a LEO to buy an off roster gun and to immedietly put it for sale on consignment for a quick profit.

Both would be putting the LEOs career on hot water so I doubt anyone is stupid enough to do that for a few hundred bucks.

Sorry but since u don't have too many details. My guess is you are speculating down the incorrect assumptions

So the seller has to be there in person? or just ship the guns to the ffl to be sold?
So somebody is bringing in guns, selling them via ppt, and leaving the state never to be questioned?
questioned about how those "off roster guns" don't have serials matching dros paperwork that were before the exemptions changed? or are they simply unregistered pistols?

Can't ffl's store firearms legally?
Is there anything wrong with somebody saying "hey ffl, store my firearms" then time later "I wanna ppt the firearm" and not having to show up? Seems very exploitable if that is what this is about, some nefarious dealings.

This "buyers burden" stuff is what is makes me flip on bg checks, that is why I am against them. If the digital paperwork system doesn't prohibit the selling of a firearm that is old or grandfathered in, or can't detect a new model that isn't grandfathered in, it shouldn't be my job to check either. At least it is the job of the seller to know what gun laws apply to them regarding bringing their firearms in?

I seriously doubt ffls are talking to their out of state gun buddies saying "yeah go buy a bunch, get california residency(whatever is required to ppt the gun from a CA resident to a CA resident.), and then we can sell them via ppt to make a couple bucks.

Like Andy Duphrene laundering the wardens money or something.

I'm more inclined to believe a buyer is using/hiring a second person using a stolen identity or fake a residency, then they move out of state, and all CA doj has is the buyer and clueless FFL, with no means to "pursue justice" other than questioning the buyer asking where the saw the gun for sale via ppt etc and predict the next one.

Don't they finger print both the buyer and the seller? because if the seller comes up prohibited, they can't return it to the seller I think? So two physical, non-same bodies must be present, unless the FFL is in on it, which I doubt.

I very much doubt the FFL, even if they were leaving the state as the legislative bad weather blows in, would milk it for all its worth.

*edit* these are the people that want us to be ccw holders, that want law abiding gun owners out there to deter crime, not sell guns to "its only illegal if I'm caught" types.

[ssteve]

So the seller has to be there in person? or just ship the guns to the ffl to be sold?

So somebody is bringing in guns, selling them via ppt, and leaving the state never to be questioned?
questioned about how those "off roster guns" don't have serials matching dros paperwork that were before the exemptions changed? or are they simply unregistered pistols?

Can't ffl's store firearms legally?
Is there anything wrong with somebody saying "hey ffl, store my firearms" then time later "I wanna ppt the firearm" and not having to show up? Seems very exploitable if that is what this is about, some nefarious dealings.

This "buyers burden" stuff is what is makes me flip on bg checks, that is why I am against them. If the digital paperwork system doesn't prohibit the selling of a firearm that is old or grandfathered in, or can't detect a new model that isn't grandfathered in, it shouldn't be my job to check either. At least it is the job of the seller to know what gun laws apply to them regarding bringing their firearms in?

I seriously doubt ffls are talking to their out of state gun buddies saying "yeah go buy a bunch, get california residency(whatever is required to ppt the gun from a CA resident to a CA resident.), and then we can sell them via ppt to make a couple bucks.

Like Andy Duphrene laundering the wardens money or something.

I'm more inclined to believe a buyer is using/hiring a second person using a stolen identity or fake a residency, then they move out of state, and all CA doj has is the buyer and clueless FFL, with no means to "pursue justice" other than questioning the buyer asking where the saw the gun for sale via ppt etc and predict the next one.

Don't they finger print both the buyer and the seller? because if the seller comes up prohibited, they can't return it to the seller I think? So two physical, non-same bodies must be present, unless the FFL is in on it, which I doubt.

I very much doubt the FFL, even if they were leaving the state as the legislative bad weather blows in, would milk it for all its worth.

*edit* these are the people that want us to be ccw holders, that want law abiding gun owners out there to deter crime, not sell guns to "its only illegal if I'm caught" types.

Handguns can not be shipped to a ffl unless they are on the roster or going to someone exempt.

Both parties are finger printed, DL scanned etc.

There is a way for a ppt to take place without both parties being there at the same time, BUT both parties do need to be present at the ffl for the ppt to take place. IE: If I am the seller, there's paperwork that I can fill out that essentially puts the gun on consignment, then the purchaser can come in and fill out their portion to complete the transfer. From my time working at a ffl I have never heard of any other ffl's willing to do this though.

In theory the 6 ppt's of hand guns a year would put a major damper on someone buying a bunch of guns to bring in and sell for a profit. Not exactly a good business plan imo. It might pay your bills for a month, but that's about it.