A Quote From Ronald Reagan

[bountyhunter]

If that what he's trying to say then he's not making his point clear and doesn't make sense. Saying b.o. is "more pro 2a" is the equivalent to saying planned parenthood is "pro life". That's all.

Maybe, but I think the 2A has done a lot better under Obama's admin than previous ones..... not due to his efforts, but we take our wins where we find them.

[bountyhunter]

And I'm going with Clinton was incompetent

How many ground wars did he get us in again?

And he did stop the genocide and get a few outrageous war criminals thrown in jail. Overall, Clinton's foreign policy score is half decent especially compared to others. I guess it's best when president's have "hobbies" that occupy their time so they don't feel obligated to come up with things to do.

When it comes to foreign policy blunders that cost this country so much and screwed up the structure of the world, the invasion of Iraq is a hydrogen bomb and the rest are firecrackers. Compare the ME now to what it was when Hussein's Iraq was standing.

[HibikiR]

And he did stop the genocide

Somalia? Nope, pulled out shortly after Mogadishu and Adid had to die at the hands of rival Somalians years later.

Rwanda? Nope, Billy's own words, "I blew it."

Ground war? Perhaps if Billy grew some balls and started one he could have nabbed Osama.

[bountyhunter]

Somalia? Nope, pulled out shortly after Mogadishu and Adid had to die at the hands of rival Somalians years later.

Rwanda? Nope, Billy's own words, "I blew it."

Ground war? Perhaps if Billy grew some balls and started one he could have nabbed Osama.

I said:

And he (Clinton) did stop the genocide and get a few outrageous war criminals thrown in jail.

I guess you never heard of the Serbian war..... and for the record, people like you (who claim anything any dem president does must be wrong) accused Clinton of "going to war" there to distract from his political problems at home. No matter what a dem president does, he gets hammered for it. But like I said: a bunch of muderers ended up in jail, a war got stopped and we didn't end up in a ten year occupation. Compared to Bush's record, Clinton was an A+.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...rimes/2025193/

Court: Bosnian Serb politicians guilty of war crimes

https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrTcd9jdqpWDoMAnl0nnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByNWU4cGh1BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=Serbia+War+Criminals+Convicted&fr=yhs-mozilla-001&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001

Here is one of the things they did:

the Bosnian Serb assault in July 1995 met no U.N. resistance either on the ground or from the air. Within 10 days, tens of thousands of Muslim refugees streamed into the Muslim-controlled city of Tuzla. Missing from the stream of refugees were more than 7,000 men of all ages, who had been executed in cold blood - mass murder on a scale not witnessed in Europe since the end of World War II.

This statement is the height of history denial:

Ground war? Perhaps if Billy grew some balls and started one he could have nabbed Osama.

If Bush hadn't pulled our main force out of Afghan when we had Bin Laden cornered we could have got him.... but Dubya publicly admitted he didn't care if he got Bin Laden.

Did you know that or is that part of the vast sections of history you have blacked out? You really should know what you're talking about before posting gibberish. DIRECT QUOTE FROM BUSH ABOUT BIN LADEN:

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/05/02/162774/bush-bin-laden/

Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not. We haven’t heard from him in a long time. /// He’s just a person who’s been marginalized. … I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.

We had to wait until another democratic president came in before somebody had the "balls" to kill him. Or did you forget that too. But of course, everything Obama does is wrong too so he gets no credit for that either.


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This is what I am talking about: neocon mouths completely flip depending on who is in office. In 2008 (when BUSH was still in office) Putin invaded the country of Georgia. As the shooting escalated, here was the response from Fox's main talking heads:

Three days later, Krauthammer insisted there was nothing for the United States to do as the crisis escalated: "Well, obviously it's beyond our control. The Russians are advancing. There is nothing that will stop them. We are not going to go to war over Georgia."

So isolationism was the order of the day, we shouldn't be going there.

Of course fast forward to when Putin rolled tanks into the Ukraine but Obama was in office and here is what the FOX jabberheads had to say about it:

Fox News commentators have been rushing in to blame President Obama for the Russian military's excursion into Ukraine. It's because of Obama's "weakness" that Vladamir Putin has seized the military initiative, announced Sarah Palin.

The crisis proves Obama's guilty of misunderstanding the Russians and not being "interested in American national security affairs," according to John Bolton. Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld told Fox viewers Obama "left a vacuum that Putin is filling," and Steve Doocy complained the president hasn't done "much" to solve the situation.

Also, Obama needs to get a "backbone" and he's "lost moral authority." All this while Fox has marveled over Putin's prowess as a true "leader," and swooned his supposed physical superiority over Obama.

So when Putin rolls into a country under a GOP president, we applaud Bush for not acting. When Putin invades a country under a dem prez, it must be because of his "weakness" and we bash him for not responding.

whatever

[LowThudd]

This double standard is true. Not that I favor the Dems, I think they are both screwed up in their own unique ways. Another example is when Bush was forced to admit that he not only drank and drove while on duty with the FBI, he also was a cocaine user. Was in the news for about a week. Mean while, Clinton's pot usage was constantly brought up for months or years. Pretty silly.

[HibikiR]

I guess you never heard of the Serbian war.

Nobody has since that war doesn't exist, unless your research skills are lacking and you really meant the Bosnian War and the Kosovo War, both part of the Yugoslav Wars.

And jumping in the middle of a party (NATO's) and calling it yours (Clinton's) doesn't mean it is actually yours. Besides, it doesn't save Clinton from the fact that he abandoned anti-Taliban forces or nearly ignored Osama even after the embassy bombings in Africa.

We had to wait until another democratic president came in before somebody had the "balls" to kill him. Or did you forget that too. But of course, everything Obama does is wrong too so he gets no credit for that either.

No, again a Democrat jumps in to a party (Bush's) and claims it as his own (Obama's) when it suits him. We never left Afghanistan after W. Bush went in and the first step to finding Osama (through his Courier) happened in Iraq and during W. Bush's last term. The clock had already started winding down on Osama by the time Obama took office. Obama didn't build that!

[mosinnagantm9130]

To make a statement like that is laughable. How can he be more pro 2A than Reagan when he wanted to add more restrictions on top of what we have now.

Because Reagan is responsible for some of those restrictions we have now in the first place.

(Note: I'd rather have Reagan than Obama, but still, the point remains)

[bountyhunter]

Because Reagan is responsible for some of those restrictions we have now in the first place.

(Note: I'd rather have Reagan than Obama, but still, the point remains)

+1 Bottom line is we need to learn from history. It is an important lesson in the effects of partisanship..... we may all agree Obama is a lousy president (I do) but some people are so blinded by hate that they can never accept that anything good happened during his term. Reverse for Reagan: some people literally worship him so much they will not accept anything he was associated with was ever bad.... or if it was, it had to be someone else's fault. There was a group which wanted to have his face carved on Mt. Rushmore. I wish that was a joke, but it is not.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ronald-reagan-centennial-presidents-likeness-live/story?id=12853508

IMHO, we would all benefit if people moved a little more toward independent thinkers and started voting reality based.

[bountyhunter]

Nobody has since that war doesn't exist, unless your research skills are lacking and you really meant the Bosnian War and the Kosovo War, both part of the Yugoslav Wars.

Semantics. The last refuge of somebody who has just had their butt kicked. Call it what you want, Clinton intervened and the killing got stopped.... and war criminals ended up in jail. Contrast that with Dubya's admin where the admin leaders ended up as convicted of war crimes.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/13/george-w-bush-dick-cheney-convicted-of-war-crimes/

But as I said: some people are so hate blinded they can't admit any democratic president ever did anything that turned out well.

And jumping in the middle of a party (NATO's) and calling it yours (Clinton's) doesn't mean it is actually yours.

Nobody said it belonged to him. What is fact even you can't dispute is that Clinton had the stones to actually take a risk and do something to stop the killing when it would have been easier just to do nothing..... you know, like Reagan's admin did when Hussein's regime committed mass genocide on Kurds using chemical weapons. Doing nothing is always the safest move for a politician.

The Halabja chemical attack was a genocidal massacre against the Kurdish people that took place on March 16, 1988. /////

The attack killed between 3,200 and 5,000 people and injured 7,000 to 10,000 more, most of them civilians

No, again a Democrat jumps in to a party (Bush's) and claims it as his own (Obama's) when it suits him. We never left Afghanistan after W. Bush went in and the first step to finding Osama (through his Courier) happened in Iraq and during W. Bush's last term. The clock had already started winding down on Osama by the time Obama took office. Obama didn't build that!

WOW. What a steaming load of crap. I posted Bush's public statement that Dubya admitted he wasn't looking for Bin Laden and you tap dance away from it. Obama had the balls to give go on a dangerous mission that had a million ways to go sideways knowing he would get no credit if it worked and endless blame if it didn't. But you are so completely biased you can't even admit that.

We never left Afghanistan after W. Bush went in

Can anybody possible be ignorant enough to not know that our Afghan force had to be stripped down to power up for the Iraq invasion? I assume this is just more apologistic denial rhetoric ignoring the facts. Sure we still had people there, and you know exactly what priority Afghan (and Bin Laden) had because Dubya was stupid enough to state publicly on camera what his feelings about Bin Laden were:

He’s just a person who’s been marginalized. … I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.

[bountyhunter]

Nobody has since that war doesn't exist, unless your research skills are lacking

So the Serbian war never existed...?

Well, here is an example of my "lacking" research skills:

https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrTcdulz6pWFuoAglcnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByNWU4cGh1BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=Serbian+War&fr=yhs-mozilla-001&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001

I guess somebody else has heard of the Serbian war?

You should probably stop now. Even I am embarrassed for you.

[otalps]

bla, bla bla.

Seriously from the guy that's mentioned Heller twice and still doesn't know f' all about when it even occurred. Stop mentioning anything about history; you suck badly at that subject. And no, despite your dumb, leftist links nobody in the Bush admin was convicted of "war crimes."

[xrMike]

Discussion of a dead American politician has little relevance to current Activism and Politics.

WE will be the judge of that.

[JohnnyMtn]

Ronald Reagan, through his never ending optimism and his pure love for his country, helped many Americans to fall in love with their country again and not be afraid to be proud of their country.

America is the greatest country in the world. How many people were believing that prior to Reagan? But since Reagan, pride in America is something that many people take as a way of life. If there was one president who could get Americans out of their funk and stand up tall and proud again it was Ronald Reagan.

Given today's situation, how many people think of their country today, and what those people think the future entails, we very much need another Ronald Reagan.

[LowThudd]

Not everyone drank the RR koolaid, and ignored the multitude of international issues that occurred during his presidency. You are right though, his acting was convincing enough to make people believe what he was selling.

[bountyhunter]

Seriously from the guy that's mentioned Heller twice and still doesn't know f' all about when it even occurred. Stop mentioning anything about history; you suck badly at that subject. And no, despite your dumb, leftist links nobody in the Bush admin was convicted of "war crimes."

So just to be clear, you say: NOBODY IN THE BUSH ADMIN WAS CONVICTED OF WAR CRIMES?

Just when I thought the IQ level of the thread couldn't go any lower......

Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia

In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were yesterday (Fri) found guilty of war crimes. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/

BTW, is CNN a "leftist link" to you? Just curious.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-791925

George W. Bush Convicted of War Crimes, Can’t Leave U.S. Fearing Arrest

In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were yesterday (Fri) found guilty of war crimes.

Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia.

The trial held in Kuala Lumpur heard harrowing witness accounts from victims of torture who suffered at the hands of US soldiers and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan.