A Quote From Ronald Reagan

[Wes C Addle]

Stating that BO has been more pro-2A than RR was, is not hyperbole, it is fact. More guns have been sold under Obama's administration than any other president before him, one has to wonder if it was an unintended consequence or by design. I never mentioned Hillary or Sanders into the fray, just BO and RR since the OP made a claim about RRs.

Come to think of it, Bush II was also anti-gun since it was under his watch that the barrel ban of 2005 took effect.

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Bush Sr pulled some antigun stuff too like the ban on foreign "assault weapons".

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Only in California is Obama a 2A hero and RR a demon. ....
Go Navy ...

[Barang]

Stating that BO has been more pro-2A than RR was, is not hyperbole, it is fact.

To make a statement like that is laughable. How can he be more pro 2A than Reagan when he wanted to add more restrictions on top of what we have now.

More guns have been sold under Obama's administration than any other president before him, one has to wonder if it was an unintended consequence or by design.

And you are crediting b.o for people panic buying when they should hadn't been in that situation. Prices go up and we all suffer as a result.

I never mentioned Hillary or Sanders into the fray, just BO and RR since the OP made a claim about RRs.

I got that and already said you did not claim it nor did I.

Come to think of it, Bush II was also anti-gun since it was under his watch that the barrel ban of 2005 took effect.

Anything that limits 2A is no bueno!

[Wes C Addle]

what one wants to do is very different from a leader passing laws.

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Is that the reason why we are in this current state right now?

[Wes C Addle]

Is that the reason why we are in this current state right now?

State or Federal? Be more specific.

There are a lot of reason why things are, both state and on a federal level, that can't possibly be explained here. The argument is about Ronald Reagan's anti-2A stance versus his political counterpart 30 years later, not about other players. The comments I've made are supported by empirical data and facts, they are not based on conjecture or opinion.

[Wes C Addle]

To make a statement like that is laughable. How can he be more pro 2A than Reagan when he wanted to add more restrictions on top of what we have now.

Go ahead and laugh but facts are facts, "wanting" to pass laws is not the same as actually having passed laws. Obama had every opportunity to pass anti-gun laws in his first term but didn't.

And you are crediting b.o for people panic buying when they should hadn't been in that situation. Prices go up and we all suffer as a result.

You're making that assumption, not me. I haven't credited Obama with the ensuing panic of 2013, but Obama's ability to seek guns like no other has been noted on other forums as well as respected media outlets, I didn't make it up. If you're guilty of panic buying, then shame on you, not me. I didn't buy anything and only sold 2 PMags for $45 each because someone wanted to, not because they had to.


I got that and already said you did not claim it nor did I.



Anything that limits 2A is no bueno!

Well, you can thank Ronald Reagan, Bush I and Bush II for limiting our gun rights. Though I didn't vote for Obama, I am glad he's our chief executive and I'm sure everyone at SHOT and SAR think so too (though probably secretly).


If you'd like to PM me, you may if you wish. If you'd like to rebut my claims, please do so with evidence from reputable sources.

[Wes C Addle]

That is some seriously dumb *** BS.

Counter my argument with facts rather than opinion. Go ahead.

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This quote by Reagan is fitting for a lot of this thread.

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We have the right for an individual to own a gun LOCKED IN by the SCOTUS. It was the single most important gain in history for gun owners.

And it had F' all to do with 0.

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Also the little issue with leaving the Taliban in charge in Afghanistan.

Reagan left the Taliban in charge of Afghanistan? :face palm:
Is that in the same history book as bounty hunter's claim of 0 somehow being related to the Heller decision?

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Counter my argument with facts rather than opinion. Go ahead.

Counter your opinion you mean. You never made an argument, just a dumb claim that 0 is some how more pro-gun than Reagan? You sure laid out some "facts" with that "argument".

FOPA was pro-gun. It was pushed for and supported by the pro-2a side. It was sabotaged with the Hughes amendment that was snuck in at the last moment by the party of 0 even though it never passed a vote. The only reason we can carry in National Parks is because Bush changed it and then Republicans got it added to a Credit Card bill that 0 had to sign after pushing for it. Reagan gave us Scalia and Kennedy in Heller. 0 gave us the Wise Latina who voted against the 2a in McDonald. So yes your first claim was and is some dumb *** BS.

[HibikiR]

Counter your opinion you mean. You never made an argument, just a dumb claim that 0 is some how more pro-gun than Reagan? You sure laid out some "facts" with that "argument".

FOPA was pro-gun. It was pushed for and supported by the pro-2a side. It was sabotaged with the Hughes amendment that was snuck in at the last moment by the party of 0 even though it never passed a vote. The only reason we can carry in National Parks is because Bush changed it and then Republicans got it added to a Credit Card bill that 0 had to sign after pushing for it. Reagan gave us Scalia and Kennedy in Heller. 0 gave us the Wise Latina who voted against the 2a in McDonald. So yes your first claim was and is some dumb *** BS.

Scalia (and Thomas) also accused, and rightfully so, SCOTUS of not doing its job when it declined to hear Friedman v. Highland Park.

0's two SCOTUS appointees of course were not on our side.

[Wes C Addle]

Counter your opinion you mean. You never made an argument, just a dumb claim that 0 is some how more pro-gun than Reagan? You sure laid out some "facts" with that "argument".

FOPA was pro-gun. It was pushed for and supported by the pro-2a side. It was sabotaged with the Hughes amendment that was snuck in at the last moment by the party of 0 even though it never passed a vote. The only reason we can carry in National Parks is because Bush changed it and then Republicans got it added to a Credit Card bill that 0 had to sign after pushing for it. Reagan gave us Scalia and Kennedy in Heller. 0 gave us the Wise Latina who voted against the 2a in McDonald. So yes your first claim was and is some dumb *** BS.

You've proven nothing. Bravo.
Let me reiterate for you: Reagan, Bush I and Bush II have been more anti-2A than Obama has been.

Again, make a better argument countering my posit. Alas, you can't.



Go ahead and keep trying though.