A Quote From Ronald Reagan

[HibikiR]

Obama did saddle us with Kagan and Sotomayor, so there's that.

[LowThudd]

Reagan left the Taliban in charge of Afghanistan? :face palm:
Is that in the same history book as bounty hunter's claim of 0 somehow being related to the Heller decision?

OK, your right, not exactly. But he did back Ossama Bin Ladden, and the roots of Al Queda as well as a faction of the Mujahadeen which would become the Taliban shortly there after.

Reagan with the Mujahadeen who would be Talibanin the future.

[HibikiR]

OK, your right, not exactly. But he did back Ossama Bin Ladden, and the roots of Al Queda as well as a faction of the Mujahadeen which would become the Taliban shortly there after.

The Taliban was formed during the Afghan Civil War (1992-1996) with the backing of Pakistan and while Bill Clinton sitting in the White House getting it on with Monica.

Conservative groups favored leaders like Ahmad Shah Massoud (who was anti-Taliban and the namesake of Magpul's prototype 7.62 NATO rifle) while Pakistan favored the scumbags. Carter and Operation Cyclone saddled the U.S. with a system where U.S. support had to go through Pakistan's ISI before reaching Afghani fighters, specifically those who were obviously favored by Pakistan.

[DrButts]

You can't be serious. Gained more ground with Obama? What ground? You're saying Obama is more pro 2A than Reagan? What, sir, are you drinking tonight?

Found the statist!

[Barang]

State or Federal? Be more specific.

There are a lot of reason why things are, both state and on a federal level, that can't possibly be explained here. The argument is about Ronald Reagan's anti-2A stance versus his political counterpart 30 years later, not about other players. The comments I've made are supported by empirical data and facts, they are not based on conjecture or opinion.

Federal or State, the minions follow or reflect the leader's stand on 2A that's why we are in this state. Don't need documentations ....... just look around and look at the players and it's easy to make that conclusion unless you're blind.

[Barang]

Well, you can thank Ronald Reagan, Bush I and Bush II for limiting our gun rights. Though I didn't vote for Obama, I am glad he's our chief executive and I'm sure everyone at SHOT and SAR think so too (though probably secretly).

If you'd like to PM me, you may if you wish. If you'd like to rebut my claims, please do so with evidence from reputable sources.

You didn't vote for b.o. but you are glad that he's our president? I thought you're pro 2A?

To make a statement like that is laughable. How can he be more pro 2A than Reagan when he wanted to add more restrictions on top of what we have now.

Go ahead and laugh but facts are facts, "wanting" to pass laws is not the same as actually having passed laws. Obama had every opportunity to pass anti-gun laws in his first term but didn't.

Re-read your post and then you'll laugh at yourself silly for saying b.o is more pro 2A than Reagan.

And you are crediting b.o for people panic buying when they should hadn't been in that situation. Prices go up and we all suffer as a result.

Stating that BO has been more pro-2A than RR was, is not hyperbole, it is fact. More guns have been sold under Obama's administration than any other president before him, one has to wonder if it was an unintended consequence or by design. I never mentioned Hillary or Sanders into the fray, just BO and RR since the OP made a claim about RRs.

You're making that assumption, not me. I haven't credited Obama with the ensuing panic of 2013, but Obama's ability to seek guns like no other has been noted on other forums as well as respected media outlets, I didn't make it up. If you're guilty of panic buying, then shame on you, not me. I didn't buy anything and only sold 2 PMags for $45 each because someone wanted to, not because they had to.

I'm not making an assumption, I'm getting that from your own posts. Go back and re-read them. And NO! I don't do panic buying but everytime b.o. open his mouth about gun the price soars and the demand exceeds the inventory.
So you participated in panic selling $45/Pmags. Shall I say shame on you then?

[bountyhunter]

The Taliban was formed during the Afghan Civil War (1992-1996) with the backing of Pakistan and while Bill Clinton sitting in the White House getting it on with Monica.

That may have been when the fighters adopted the name "taliban", but they had been fighting since as far back as the end of Carter's term. They were fighting the Soviet invasion and Carter was giving them some token support. It was when Reagan came in and realized that he could wage a proxy war against the "evil empire" (Russia) using Afghanis that he pumped up the volume and all hell broke loose. A key turning point was our supplying them Stinger missiles which soviet aircraft were vulnerable to which allowed the Mujahadeen to "take away the skies" from the russians.

That war drained the Russians and gave them a humiliating defeat. But it also provided the stage where the battle hardened fighters who would later become Al Qaeada learned their trade and a guy named Bin laden gained his street cred. Good intentions that didn't turn out so well.

[HibikiR]

That may have been when the fighters adopted the name "taliban", but they had been fighting since as far back as the end of Carter's term. They were fighting the Soviet invasion and Carter was giving them some token support. It was when Reagan came in and realized that he could wage a proxy war against the "evil empire" (Russia) using Afghanis that he pumped up the volume and all hell broke loose. A key turning point was our supplying them Stinger missiles which soviet aircraft were vulnerable to which allowed the Mujahadeen to "take away the skies" from the russians.

That war drained the Russians and gave them a humiliating defeat. But it also provided the stage where the battle hardened fighters who would later become Al Qaeada learned their trade and a guy named Bin laden gained his street cred. Good intentions that didn't turn out so well.

Charlie Wilson (D) came up with the Stinger idea.

And there were anti-Taliban dating that far back too, but when they came under fire between 1992-1996 Clinton ignored them.

Sound familiar? That's because 0bama did the same for any anti-ISIS.

[Wes C Addle]

You didn't vote for b.o. but you are glad that he's our president? I thought you're pro 2A?


Re-read your post and then you'll laugh at yourself silly for saying b.o is more pro 2A than Reagan.



I'm not making an assumption, I'm getting that from your own posts. Go back and re-read them. And NO! I don't do panic buying but everytime b.o. open his mouth about gun the price soars and the demand exceeds the inventory.
So you participated in panic selling $45/Pmags. Shall I say shame on you then?

This is a circular argument. You can misconstrue my postings anyway you'd like (which is what you've done so far) or you can counter my arguments with valid and factual points.

Am I wrong in saying that more guns have been sold under Obama's administration than any president before him? Fear, uncertainty, and doubt have created any ensuing panics.

Facts are: Reagan, Bush I and Bush II have signed anti-gun legislation into law.
Obama has done nothing except allow people to carry in National Parks.

So based on facts, wouldn't you agree that Obama has been more pro 2A than Reagan, Bush I and/or Bush II?

[bountyhunter]

Charlie Wilson (D) came up with the Stinger idea.

And there were anti-Taliban dating that far back too, but when they came under fire between 1992-1996 Clinton ignored them.

Sound familiar? That's because 0bama did the same for any anti-ISIS.

My point was that the middle east that Clinton, Dubya, and Obama inherited was shaped by foreign policy BLUNDERS that happened before they ever came to office. If Reagan and company had not backed the Mujahadeen, Bin Laden would have been nobody and Al Qaeda would have never existed.

Clinton may have "ignored" them but he may simply have been smart enough to know quicksand when he saw it.

And there was a "liberal" named HW Bush who froze our troops when the Shias in southern Iraq were slaughtered by Saddam's forces after we had assured them that we would help them drive Hussein out. They are buried in mass graves by the tens of thousands. HW stated at the time he would not send our forces into Iraq for an endless ground war. His son was stupid enough to do exactly that and look where it got us.

Plenty of screw ups on all sides, but we should at least be smart enough to accept real history so we can learn from it.

[HibikiR]

If that history was more complete I'd accept it, but omitting the origin of Operation Cyclone (Carter) or not correctly showing that not all the Muj turned into Taliban (Massoud) or implying that the Taliban popped up that early (a civil war that Clinton ignored had to be fought first) is far from a complete history.

And I'm going with Clinton was incompetent as he screwed up Somalia, Kenya, the hunt for Osama, Monica's blue dress, etc.

[HibikiR]

Obama has done nothing except allow people to carry in National Parks.

So based on facts, wouldn't you agree that Obama has been more pro 2A than Reagan, Bush I and/or Bush II?

Obama stuck us with two anti-2A Justices who don't seem to be anywhere near death or retirement. He also set the ATF on us concerning green-tips.

[Barang]

This is a circular argument. You can misconstrue my postings anyway you'd like (which is what you've done so far) or you can counter my arguments with valid and factual points.

I'm quoting you based on your posts so I'm not injecting anything outside that. Don't make yourself a victim here because you are not!

Am I wrong in saying that more guns have been sold under Obama's administration than any president before him? Fear, uncertainty, and doubt have created any ensuing panics.

I'll repeat that everytime he opens his mouth, sale soars and prices go along with it. We get screwed every single time he does that. So what is there to argue about?

Facts are: Reagan, Bush I and Bush II have signed anti-gun legislation into law.
Obama has done nothing except allow people to carry in National Parks.

So based on facts, wouldn't you agree that Obama has been more pro 2A than Reagan, Bush I and/or Bush II?

No! I disagree. How can he be more pro 2A when he tries to add more restrictions on top of what we have now? Doesn't make sense.

[Wes C Addle]

I'm quoting you based on your posts so I'm not injecting anything outside that. Don't make yourself a victim here because you are not!



I'll repeat that everytime he opens his mouth, sale soars and prices go along with it. We get screwed every single time he does that. So what is there to argue about?



No! I disagree. How can he be more pro 2A when he tries to add more restrictions on top of what we have now? Doesn't make sense.

You seem to lack the ability to understand what I'm saying. Obama is more pro 2A by default than his Republican predecessors (RR, B1, and B2). By spewing rhetoric about gun laws (but not actually doing anything other than talking) he has spurred gun sales therefore making him more 2A. Get it now?

[bountyhunter]

No! I disagree. How can he be more pro 2A when he tries to add more restrictions on top of what we have now? Doesn't make sense.

I think his point is that despite Obama's desire to grab our guns, he has done far less to accomplish it than previous admins, some of whom supposedly were "on our side".

The Heller decision happened on Obama's watch which had nothing to do with him but still was a big win for us.