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  • #31
    Fill
    Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 331

    If you think the names listed on Gun Trust are not vetted through the ATF when you submit a Form1 or 4, you are mistaken.

    The only thing a Gun Trust side-stepped was the finger printing, photo shoot, and permission from your local CLEO.

    If the listed Trustee was a "restricted" person the ATF would deny the application.

    This was a smoke and mirrors move they pulled on the uninformed hoplophobic public

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    • #32
      TRICKSTER
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Mar 2008
      • 12438

      Originally posted by Wes C Addle
      I have to go through a background check when I purchase a firearm, I don't see why someone else should be exempt just because they live in a free state. I get the counter-argument about incremental encroachment but I see this as a common sense approach. If you can pass a background check then no worries.
      So using your reasoning, I guess that we can also assume that you don't have any problem with California's gun laws and believe that they should be adopted nationwide? After all, why shouldn't people in other states have to live under the same restrictive laws that you do.


      Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

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      • #33
        97F1504RAD
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2008
        • 6318

        The thing about all this that gets me is we Califonians have been telling the rest of the country they need to help us here fight as what happens here will at some point get to you and your free state and we were constantly called names and were told we were crazy and we should all simply move out of this state.

        Well guess what people we told you this was coming.

        This is yet one more incremental step of Big Governement poking it's nose into our business.

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        • #34
          451040
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 2169

          Originally posted by Wes C Addle
          ... I see this as a common sense approach.


          Originally posted by RonnieP
          Will these new FBI hires be boots on the ground in Chicago, Detroit, Compton, Oakland, Phily, NYC, SF and other bastions of liberal gun control?
          No, they will be used to conduct surveillance on law-abiding white men.

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          • #35
            97F1504RAD
            Calguns Addict
            • Dec 2008
            • 6318

            This just in Obama is set to release 17 Terrorists from Gitmo to get back into the fight against us. Isn't he wonderful.

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            • #36
              shakyshoot
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2014
              • 1142

              They didn't want all the small time FFL dealers that applied back in the 70's and 80's. They didn't want those thousands of people who sold a few guns a year to be able to have guns shipped straight to their house. Now all of a sudden if you sell a few guns at a show you're "in the business" and need an FFL. What's next, "Yes, you can get an FFL but you need to be making most of your income in the gun business to qualify." You can't have it both ways. If they expect anyone to comply they HAVE to nail down some criteria for what "in the business" means. 10 guns, 20 guns, whatever it is. You can't comply with a law that has no definition.

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              • #37
                Wes C Addle
                Banned
                • Apr 2015
                • 1867

                Originally posted by Wernher von Browning
                In other words, you can sell your guns secretly, under the table, in a back alley, etc. so long as "they don't know."

                But if you come out into the open... "gotcha!"

                Like I said, we are the new Jews. The regime wants to ban us, drive us underground, to hiding in attics and cellars and sewers.
                that's a stupid and irresponsible comment. Gun owners are not like Jews.

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                • #38
                  bluenoise
                  Maker of Sound
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 16195

                  Originally posted by Wes C Addle
                  that's a stupid and irresponsible comment. Gun owners are not like Jews.
                  Of all the comments that are critical of your initial post, this is what you address? Regarding the "Jews" comment, read past the words and understand the message.
                  bluenoiseise.
                  lllllllllllllllllllllll...
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                  • #39
                    Rickrock1
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 5158

                    Originally posted by owenv
                    Basically, he doesn't want "weekend warriors" setting up at gun shows without being licensed and doing background checks on buyers. His order directs ATF to enforce already existing law which has been overlooked on many occasions as they don't have enough agents to troll the shows. That will change with more agents being hired. He can't change the law although his big-eared conference implied that he did. At least Biden thought so.
                    Shake this spot already.
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                    • #40
                      Wes C Addle
                      Banned
                      • Apr 2015
                      • 1867

                      Originally posted by bluenoise
                      Of all the comments that are critical of your initial post, this is what you address? Regarding the "Jews" comment, read past the words and understand the message.
                      If he'd said that gun owners are being persecuted, fine or that gun owners are being targeted, fine. But to pretend that gun owners are a group of people persecuted for their religion/race is beyond stupid. Anyone thinking that gun owners are like Jews have no idea what pain and suffering Jews have been through.

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                      • #41
                        SPUTTER
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 7504

                        Gunowners backstabbed Germany?

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                        • #42
                          Somkey the Hores
                          Junior Member
                          • Sep 2014
                          • 94

                          Originally posted by Intimid8tor
                          And herein lies the mental illness that exists in liberal utopia. I have to so everyone should.



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                          The thing is that idiots who vote for a socialist government get the government they deserve.
                          Unfortunately, those of us who did NOT vote for the socialists ALSO get the government the socialists deserve.

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                          • #43
                            wpage
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 6071

                            To simplify further. Another diversion to mislead American people from the real problems facing our nation...

                            Shame on our leaders!
                            God so loved the world He gave His only Son... Believe in Him and have everlasting life.
                            John 3:16

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                            • #44
                              Just Dave
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 7259

                              What's that smell


                              Somebody stepped in it

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                              • #45
                                Somkey the Hores
                                Junior Member
                                • Sep 2014
                                • 94

                                Originally posted by Wes C Addle
                                that's a stupid and irresponsible comment. Gun owners are not like Jews.
                                Are you kidding? Get an EEG.
                                I could be wrong now... But I don't think so.
                                Way down deep, I'm pretty shallow.
                                The thing is that idiots who vote for a socialist government get the government they deserve.
                                Unfortunately, those of us who did NOT vote for the socialists ALSO get the government the socialists deserve.

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