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  • choaderboy2
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2013
    • 66

    Winchester M-22 ammo sucks!

    I bought a few 500 round boxes and I regret it. My family took out our .22's today for some fun and I decided to shoot my stash of M-22. We had our 3 10/22's one with a Kidd Barrel, one with a Volquartsen and one stock stainless barrel. We also had a MKIII pistol.

    We were noticing that the M-22 had a lot of failures to fire even with good primer hits. A lot of failures to feed as well as the bullet head shape seemed off and the bullet would not go into the chamber. We were having problems with one in about 15 rounds. These three guns are normally very reliable, solid builds with high end parts.

    The Kidd barrel gun went down first. It started to keyhole and throw bullets all over the place. Then the stock barrel gun started to do the same. The Volquartsen gun was doing ok and the MKIII started to get inaccurate.

    Knowing something was weird, we packed it up. All the guns had about 300 rounds through them.

    One we were home, I inspected the bores, the Volquartsen was fine but the Kidd and the stock barrels were completely full of lead! You could not even see the lands and the barrels were down to less than half of their ID! I have never ever seen a barrel lead this badly before ever in my 40 years of shooting!

    The MKIII was half leaded up. The Stock and Kidd were so bad you could not get a cleaning rod through the bores, I bent a dewy rod trying. You could not even get a cable through the lead. I had a tiny thin cable and that would not go through.

    I was starting to panic as I tried soaking the bores with every cleaner in my inventory and nothing was doing much. Then I tried the peroxide and vinegar in a 50/50 solution trick. This really worked and it started to bubble and foam in the bore. After about 30 minutes of soaking, I managed to thread my super thin cable and a .17 caliber brush through. After repeated passes and soakings, huge thick sheets of lead started to come through and after a few hours I was able to pass a rod and a bronze brush and was finally able to clean the bores. Some of the lead was like 0.080" thick!

    My daughter and I have been at it for 8 hours and finally everything is clean we hope. I am going to the range again tomorrow to see if we damaged our expensive barrels and optics with all the chemicals, tugging, pounding and cussing we put the guns through. We were trying to be as careful as we could be but I am scared we might have damaged something.

    I am really curious why the M-22 killed the stock and the Kidd barrels but the Volquartsen barrel seemed fine with it. The Kidd and stock barrels were newer with about 2-3oo rounds each through them, the Volquartsen has many thousands of rounds through it. I wonder if it is smoother inside due to being well broken in and didn't lead up as bad because if it.

    I think Winchester has a QA problem as some people love this stuff others hate it. Lots of mixed reviews. I haven't seen anyone with this extreme leading issue. Weird my guns like Winchester Super X just fine.

    I want my 8 hours back....
    NRA Life Member, Calguns Supporter
  • #2
    SmallShark
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 1395

    woot, almost bought those. i guess i will stick with cci mini-mag

    the 36 grain hollowpoint has been good for my stock 10/22, then kidd barrel, and my Mark III competition.

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    • #3
      Dannicus
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2011
      • 2577

      Wow, I must have gotten a good box. 3 maybe 4 duds or of 100 or so shot. That's about on par with the white box loose bulk. No leading problems, either.

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      • #4
        tonelar
        Dinosaur
        • Mar 2008
        • 6081

        Maybe your Volquartsen barrel is well seasoned compared to the other two?

        I've never shot M22 before. Is it supposed to be hotter than regular .22LR?
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        • #5
          allanmiata
          Junior Member
          • Nov 2013
          • 4

          M 22

          M-22 in my Beretta Neos not doin well. It seams the primers are not doin its thing. The Neos is knowed to shoot anything. Well I found one ammo that doesn't. Sad.

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          • #6
            Vee3
            Member
            • Jan 2010
            • 203

            Originally posted by Dannicus
            Wow, I must have gotten a good box. 3 maybe 4 duds or of 100 or so shot. That's about on par with the white box loose bulk. No leading problems, either.
            Amazing what we consider "good" these days.

            When I was a kid I almost never got a FTF with new rimfire ammo. I'd pick up live rounds that had obviously been on the ground (under snow in winter) for a few seasons and they would fire more often than not.
            "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." - Yogi Berra

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            • #7
              Content Kitty
              Banned
              • Nov 2013
              • 184

              WOW, almost bought 3k rounds yesterday and had to cancel. The funny thing is the only time I ever had a FTF or FTE was with WWB in 9mm. Now I am really leaning towards no more Winchester in my firearms.

              OP- Thank you for the heads up and sorry for your troubles.

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              • #8
                morrcarr67
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jul 2010
                • 15039

                I have 1500 rounds; sold 500 to a friend, and I haven't tried them yet. I hope I have better luck with mine.
                Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

                Originally posted by Erion929

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                • #9
                  Crf450rr
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 501

                  This stuff doesn't work in any of my semi-auto pistols...
                  It's crap!!!
                  It would not run it my SR22 or my M&P 22...
                  Last edited by Crf450rr; 12-01-2013, 8:09 AM.

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                  • #10
                    spetsnaz
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 1502

                    ouch... just bought 500rds

                    crossing fingers my batch works well

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                    • #11
                      RANCID 518th
                      Member
                      • Nov 2012
                      • 353

                      What if the quality is the result of the surge in buying of ammo.

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                      • #12
                        junior40er
                        Veteran Member
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 3315

                        I've shot 2k rounds of that this past month with no issues. Maybe 6 out of the 22 but that's it.
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                        • #13
                          Content Kitty
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2013
                          • 184

                          After responding to this thread, did some Googling and read some really positive reviews and YouTube videos. Is it possible that the OP got a bad batch? I am still thinking of staying away from this ammo either way.

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                          • #14
                            G21Shooter
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 3577

                            Thanks for the warning, I'll avoid those.

                            In general, Winchester rimfire ammo is a little sketchy. I got a batch of their 333 bulk pack that has a 2 in 10 failure to fire rate. Other Winchester .22 lr ammo I've shot seemed to be a little junky and low quality.

                            Bottom line, the best quality for your money bulk .22 ammo you can get is Federal champion bulk.

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                            • #15
                              delsol
                              Member
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 107

                              I quit buying any of the Winchester ammo a few months ago, I had trouble with all of it compared to other brands.
                              Last edited by delsol; 12-01-2013, 8:50 AM.

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