Walmart Ammo Flippers.

[urbanfood]

I just bought 5 bricks of 22lr from a calgunner through the classifieds the other day. i paid about 8 cents a round. i thought it was a fair deal given the current climate.

considering the cheapest is .14 a round on gunbot.net plus shipping, i think i did okay. sure the guy was flipping it and making some money, but i don't have the time to be first in line at walmart or even follow whats going on at walmart. my time is more valuable than that.

i'm happy to pay a guy a little more to basically find the ammo for me as my time is more valuable spent working, spending time with my kids, and anything other than scouting for ammo.

do i wish things were different? yes i do. it's just the way it is nowadays.

[Scuba951]

That's interesting but I wonder what WalMart can do if someone resells a box of their ammo. Once its out the door of WalMart they no longer have control or say in what happens to it. There is no law, Federal or State that says a private citizen cannot sell ammo to another private citizen. There are laws to be followed, 18 yrs old for rifle ammo and 21 yrs old for pistol pistol but beyond that I am not aware of any law prohibiting the sale of ammo between private persons. Heck our Market Place Forum is full of offers.

I think the sticker is trying to scare off the uninformed.

Legally, they probably can't do much.

However, they can refuse to sell to someone in the future so we don't have more flippers.

[covingtonhouse]

Legally, they probably can't do much.

However, they can refuse to sell to someone in the future so we don't have more flippers.

Yeah I'm sure the minimum wage security guard and the slightly higher than minimum wage manager will be looking through their security vid to see who bought it. Lame. Kind of like the parental advisory sticker on video games and cd's. Ever hear of walmart enforcing those??

['ol shooter]

Disagree.

Many places have not raised prices and while I had to be patient for the right deals, I usually got them. What happens when SB53 get passed and we can't order online anymore? Most of the LGS I visit in San Diego start at .07 cents a round. The LGs will have to charge more to keep up with costs of being an authorized licensed seller. I am certain prices will jump to .09 or .10 cents a round.

I will continue to buy as much as I can until I hit 20k for around .05 cents around. Why should I wait and pay twice as much per round after January?

You are going to remember the good ol days when prices were low....even with hoarders and flippers.

I bought mine back when it was plentiful, and bought over 7K for about .04 a round. I did not go to a store and stand in line, then buy every round available so no one else could have any. If you are patient and buy in bulk, I do not consider you a hoarder. The guys who haunt the retail stores to snap up every round, without regard for anyone besides themselves, they are hoarders by any definition of the word.

[covingtonhouse]

I just bought 5 bricks of 22lr from a calgunner through the classifieds the other day. i paid about 8 cents a round. i thought it was a fair deal given the current climate.

considering the cheapest is .14 a round on gunbot.net plus shipping, i think i did okay. sure the guy was flipping it and making some money, but i don't have the time to be first in line at walmart or even follow whats going on at walmart. my time is more valuable than that.

i'm happy to pay a guy a little more to basically find the ammo for me as my time is more valuable spent working, spending time with my kids, and anything other than scouting for ammo.

do i wish things were different? yes i do. it's just the way it is nowadays.

That is a very square deal considering at the very least the gas to go and buy the ammo in the first place. In the current climate, it's about the norm. No different than 4 stores selling the same product. It's nice to pay the cheapest price around, but if you're driving all over to get it it's pointless. And the most expensive place may be the only place that has the item you want, when you want it. Think swimsuits and sunglasses at beachside shops. Sure you might get those sunglasses at rite-aid or walgreens for 10$, but walgreens is an hour away in traffic, and you'll lose your sweet parking spot if you leave. So you pay double for the convenience, and save the headache and gas driving to walgreens. cost/benefit anaylisis. Some are more concerned about it than others. And the ones who are concerned about it have the option to...NOT BUY IT!!

[MotoriousRacing]

Define hoarding...... I have over 15,000 rounds in reserve and that's just .22 ammo I will let my kids shoot. I have another 8,000 of mid to high end match
.22. I am still buying because when or if the ammo law goes through, I will never have to buy ammo in this state again. I also sold a bunch of stuff off I had bought when the first panic set in, and turned a nice profit on it. Not one person complained when they got their ammo in their hot little hands. In fact they were ecstatic to have it. I think it all comes down to people are insulted at the prices.

Uh oh, we got a hoarder and a profiteer in the covington house.

I don't buy and flip. I will sell off stockpile to realize a profit though. Basically that business model is out when the supply loosens up. I also have the sig line for a reason. Nothing else comes first. It basically comes down to are you wanting what is basically welfare from others to make sure you have ammo because you were caught unprepared? Or are you going to use this as a learning opportunity and make sure it doesn't happen to you again? Unfortunately, the times being what they are, and the amount of people realizing their own prior mistakes, the curve is now steeper to get where one might feel comfortable with their amount of ammo stashed. Again, I ask the question "what defines a hoarder?" Is it 100 rounds is it a million? Should I subsidize others lack of ammo? Sounds pretty socialist in here. my first and foremost reason for laying supply in is for myself and family. I feel I was doing some others a service by even letting some supply go at the time. If something bad does happen I also have meat and food supply laid in both on the hoof and in the larder. Like it or not guns and ammo have become a commodity. It is only going to get worse as the deadline for current and future legislation comes about.

I meant nothing by it but as a silly joke because your screen name has house in it.

btw - I think I'm a hoarder since I have at least 4 figures of rounds in every caliber I own firearms, and especially since I bought some .357 and haven't got the gun yet.... I ran out of money buying ammo.

[coverme2]

At the rate I'm shooting (seems like about 100-rds per hour with a 77/22 and CZ452) I shoot or share with family/friends every round I've bought. Never bought to sell. I shoot at least once a week, four or five hours per session. I'm down to the minimum stash I'm comfortable with and will have to cut my sessions shorter to stretch out what's available to me unless I find more to replenish without paying crazy prices. Woulda shoulda coulda....

[fourtraxmc]

No matter how you look at it. You don't need to buy from a flipper. The ammo is out there you just needs to actually put out some effort for what you want. I have bought 10k rounds of 22lr in the past six months and have paid an average of $.07 a round. It's there just need to get to pay attention. Most of my scores were from the ammo finds thread.

[covingtonhouse]

I meant nothing by it but as a silly joke because your screen name has house in it.

btw - I think I'm a hoarder since I have at least 4 figures of rounds in every caliber I own firearms, and especially since I bought some .357 and haven't got the gun yet.... I ran out of money buying ammo.

No offense taken sir!!! It's all entertainment to me. I actually enjoy giving a little grief to the whiners and complainers that they don't have enough, and everyone should play fair. You know what!!! Life is not fair. Man is an animal at the very least and most animals are territorial and possess a survival instinct. Humans just have a different way of feeding the survival instinct. Those who believe we can modify, or deny that we have this behavior are deluding themselves. Humans will never have the utopia that socialists and hardcore liberals envision. And I don't think you have enough ammo by the way...

[G21Shooter]

Hoarders are people who have an obsession for gathering up stuff, storing it and refusing to give it up, use it or throw it away. Flippers are people who buy stuff and then sell it at higher prices. Two different animals.

Folks who buy a lot of ammo and shoot it are just being prepared for when it is either not available (like now) or when the price is going way up (like now) or in the future such as when our state outlaws our ability to purchase ammo online (probably in the new future).

Another way to look at is to get oneself prepared when a shortage appears to be looming on the horizon. All the complaining will not ever change this situation but hey its a free country so no problem with complaining.

Exactly. I have been buying up as much .22 lr as a can recently. Does that make me a hoarder? I have 25,000+ rounds, and I am planning on shooting every last one of them. Its called being a prepared shooter. I may give some of it away, but I would not consider selling any to make a profit.

[MotoriousRacing]

.... And I don't think you have enough ammo by the way...

Neither do I!!! But I am damned well stocked.

[hunterb]

Funny how many people come on here to defend their own sh*tty behavior. Sure, it's legal, sure, it's economics, but it is also selfish.
So keep hurting the shooting community with your selfish actions, just don't expect to be treated well.

It's one thing to "hoard" ammo for your own use, it's another to hoard it for resale or because of a mental illness.

There are profiteering types in every industry, and many people are fine with exploiting others, "as long as they get theirs."
This narrow-minded, immature and selfish world-view is legal, as they say, you can't legislate morality.

I guess I was raised differently, take what you need, share with others, have consideration for your fellow man....funny I'm not even "Christian," but act more Christian than a whole hell of a lot of actual practicing Christians. Hopefully their "heaven" is based on the words you said and not actual actions you've taken, or there's gonna be a lot of so-called Christians with me in hell.

And I have plenty of .22lr, I, like everyone else, would of course like more (as I shoot a ridiculous amount of 22 because it is still uproariously fun for me.) But to defend re-sellers as anything but leeches in the marketplace is misguided and wrong. They are blood-sucking leeches, making prices higher for all of us, dipping their stinking mitts into the entire industry's pockets, and deserve our disdain.

[Izzy43]

No matter how you look at it. You don't need to buy from a flipper. The ammo is out there you just needs to actually put out some effort for what you want. I have bought 10k rounds of 22lr in the past six months and have paid an average of $.07 a round. It's there just need to get to pay attention. Most of my scores were from the ammo finds thread.

Well said, just takes a little patience and being aware of what's out there. Not rocket science.

[whatwhy]

So what's a "good" and what's an "excellent" price for .22 nowadays? Been trying to find some so I can shoot it but so far no luck!

[Summers]

In general terms right now 10 cents defines the general "good" price point. however, I think that each brand has its own "good" price point,