CMMG M4 LE Quebec

[DannyInSoCal]

A larger local PD is actually issueing them to officers.

Really...? 22L AR's for LEO use...?

Must just be for practice - Not for duty. A standard .223 has trouble with windshields/etc - A 22L is even less effective...

(I shoot a 22L dedicatd upper since it's obviously cheaper than the 6.8 rounds...)

[shadow65]

Really...? 22L AR's for LEO use...?

Must just be for practice - Not for duty. A standard .223 has trouble with windshields/etc - A 22L is even less effective...

(I shoot a 22L dedicatd upper since it's obviously cheaper than the 6.8 rounds...)

Not .22's, the 200 lumen light.

However some of us do have .22's set up like our duty rifles for drills and practice. Cheap trigger time. Most everything is done 50 yards and under. The .22 is close enough, minus the recoil, for training. I can use my duty lower with my .22 upper. Same trigger pull and muscle memory.

[NorCalDustin]

You guys in Cali definetly have different issues to deal with than we do back here.
You might be able to answer a question for me.
Rimfire AR set ups. Does the lower require a bullet button? I ask because the CMMG lowers are marked Multi Cal and are standard AR lowers. Obviously a dedicated upper wouldn't be a problem but I'm not sure how Cali Law looks at the lower.
Thanks,
Dave

Rimfire AR-15's are exempt from the bullet button requirement.

Related PC:

(a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall
also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to
accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
...
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine
with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length
of less than 30 inches.

As you can see, the law only applies to centerfire... Thus, there is no requirement that Rimfire rifles have a bullet button installed.

Also, a few other things to consider:

• The OAL requirement in California is 26" for rimfire. Also remember that in California, the OAL is measured with the gun with the stock/gun in its smallest possible configuration. (This is due to California Vs. Rooney If I remember correctly). Also remember that the OAL is measured parallel to the bore.
• Obviously you must have a 16" barrel for it to be considered a rifle. The barrel length is measured down the barrel from the closed bolt face to the end of the barrel. On the CMMG Upper, ~14.5" of barrel is visible, but ~1.5" is recessed into the upper. Therefore it's still all good. Also remember that permanently attached muzzle devices DO add to the barrel length.
• You cannot import any magazine into CA with a capacity of greater than 10 rounds. This includes rimfire magazines. You may however use mags you owned before the ban, but since at least to my knowledge there were no AR-15 .22LR mags before the ban...

Just some things to keep in mind, but the CMMG .22LR guns should be good to ship right to us here in California. As mine is configured, It's exactly like a gun I could get in another state.

I personally appreciate what CMMG has done. They may not have realized it, but they have built an extremely reliable .22LR Upper that JUST WORKS right out of the box. This is starting to, and will continue to give us Black Rifle owners in California the kind of enjoyment that we could have with a centerfire black rifle in another state. I seriously don't think they will ever understand this, but that's why I've been a supported on their AR15 industry forums for awhile now.

[shadow65]

Thanks for the information Dustin. I'm still a little shakey on the bullet button for the multi caliber lower but it is what it is. If Cali Law states it's good to go, then there it is.

[NorCalDustin]

Thanks for the information Dustin. I'm still a little shakey on the bullet button for the multi caliber lower but it is what it is. If Cali Law states it's good to go, then there it is.

Yup! CA Shooters rejoice!

[Knight_Who_Says_Ni]

So this is a dedicated lower? Have you tried to run any other caliber uppers on it yet?

[shadow65]

Mine is not a dedicated lower. Just a standard AR lower marked Multi Caliber.
I have used it with my 5.56.

[Jim McCoin]

This is my home built cmmg lower and cmmg dedicated upper, it works as well as my sig 522 and uses the same mags. Im a happy camper.

Jim

[Mssr. Eleganté]

I saw the time stamps on your posts and was wondering how your rifle showed up, you test fired it in the basement, you had a chance to get out to the range, and then finally had a chance to get out to the 50 yard range, all within 5 minutes.

Then I realized you were reposting your posts from another forum that originally took place over a few days back in August.

That 25 yard range looks really sweet!



Is it a private club or a public range? It's one of the nicest looking outdoor ranges I've ever seen. It would be nice to have something like that in the back yard.

[redcliff]

You may however use mags you owned before the ban, but since at least to my knowledge there were no AR-15 .22LR mags before the ban...

Just a small correction to an otherwise excellent post; actually there were plenty of AR-15 22lr magazines before the ban; I have (5) 30rnd .22lr magazines for my Atchison unit I purchased back in the 80's.

[shadow65]

I saw the time stamps on your posts and was wondering how your rifle showed up, you test fired it in the basement, you had a chance to get out to the range, and then finally had a chance to get out to the 50 yard range, all within 5 minutes.

Then I realized you were reposting your posts from another forum that originally took place over a few days back in August.

That 25 yard range looks really sweet!



Is it a private club or a public range? It's one of the nicest looking outdoor ranges I've ever seen. It would be nice to have something like that in the back yard.

It's Indiana State owned public range. Free to shoot. It has a 25, 50, 100, and 200 yard bays with 3 benches, seats and awnings at each station.
Rarely do I have a problem getting on the range.
It's well kept.

The timeline for my post has been over the last couple of months.
I was trying to pull up AR laws in California and ran across this site.
Looked like their was interest in the CMMG, so I thought I would sign up and answer any questions I could.

I've been doing a lot of proto type testing for CMMG, including this rifle.
They have been a great company to work with. Always coming up with something new.

I'm not a paid employee, I just do field testing for them before an item is released. My compensation is I keep what I test. I report my findings, and recommend changes and tweaks and attempt to help fellow shooters on several web sites with any issues.
I always value others users experiences and findings to make the conversions and rifles better.

I've done testing for a few other manufacturers also.
Some manufacturers will listen to advise, some will not.
CMMG does listen and makes changes if needed to provide the end user a trouble free weapon.

It's a challenge with the conversions, and then trying to get them to run with other conversions, parts, different set ups, ect.
Specs from other manufacturers are always different. CMMG checks these in several different makes of AR's. I also test them in several different makes.
Together we try to get the bugs worked out. It's never a perfect world, but these come as close as I have ever evaluated.
Dave

[NorCalDustin]

Just a small correction to an otherwise excellent post; actually there were plenty of AR-15 22lr magazines before the ban; I have (5) 30rnd .22lr magazines for my Atchison unit I purchased back in the 80's.

Hehe, I left it a little open ended in case there were some exception. But yeah, :P

Thanks for the info BTW! Always love to add little tidbits of info to my toolbox.

[ummagawd]

I love my quebec rifle.... and it set me up perfectly for a good platform on the BCM middy centerfire upper that i'm putting together.

Zero issues. I just lube the hell out of it, and clean every 1000 rounds or so. I'm also running a Timney 3lb in it with no problems and black dog mags

One thing to note, when i went to buy my rifle from CMMG direct, they told me they wouldn't ship complete rifles to CA. I tried to explains the laws but they didn't seem interested in hearing me out.

I ended up getting mine through Mark's Armory. They insisted on shipping it with a bullet button, but at that point I didn't want to bother. I already had plans to also purchase a centerfire upper too so I would have needed it regardless.

[SPR18]

22lr upper on 5.56 lower, ok?

Rimfire AR-15's are exempt from the bullet button requirement.

Related PC:

As you can see, the law only applies to centerfire... Thus, there is no requirement that Rimfire rifles have a bullet button installed.

Also, a few other things to consider:

• The OAL requirement in California is 26" for rimfire. Also remember that in California, the OAL is measured with the gun with the stock/gun in its smallest possible configuration. (This is due to California Vs. Rooney If I remember correctly). Also remember that the OAL is measured parallel to the bore.
• Obviously you must have a 16" barrel for it to be considered a rifle. The barrel length is measured down the barrel from the closed bolt face to the end of the barrel. On the CMMG Upper, ~14.5" of barrel is visible, but ~1.5" is recessed into the upper. Therefore it's still all good. Also remember that permanently attached muzzle devices DO add to the barrel length.
• You cannot import any magazine into CA with a capacity of greater than 10 rounds. This includes rimfire magazines. You may however use mags you owned before the ban, but since at least to my knowledge there were no AR-15 .22LR mags before the ban...

Just some things to keep in mind, but the CMMG .22LR guns should be good to ship right to us here in California. As mine is configured, It's exactly like a gun I could get in another state.

I personally appreciate what CMMG has done. They may not have realized it, but they have built an extremely reliable .22LR Upper that JUST WORKS right out of the box. This is starting to, and will continue to give us Black Rifle owners in California the kind of enjoyment that we could have with a centerfire black rifle in another state. I seriously don't think they will ever understand this, but that's why I've been a supported on their AR15 industry forums for awhile now.

if my lower still marked and registered as 5.56mm, is it ok to put a 22lr upper w/o bb?
i just want to make sure is legal b4 i do it?

[Peter.Steele]

I've been happy with it.
UTG gets a lot of flaming because they are part of an AirSoft company. But I know the owner and have tested a lot of their gear. I've been suprised by most of it. For the price, it's a good value.

I've got some stuff from them. Got a bipod from them on my 10/22, and a VFG on my M&P 15-22. The VFG is sort of crap - it wobbles a lot, no matter how tight you get it - but the bipod is excellent craftsmanship. All steel, except for the rubber feet. I'm a big fan of the bipod. I've also got an A2 sight adjustment tool from them.