Are RDS really practical on a carry gun?

[k1dude]

May I ask which dot broke and how many rounds roughly?

RMR with about 500 rounds.

[static2126]

RMR with about 500 rounds.

Personal experience rmrs have more issues than holosun

[Zenderfall]

But no one has a QR for pistol red dots that I'm aware of. Yet all of my rifle red dots come with QR mounts for that exact reason. Why don't they do the same for pistols?

That’s a really good idea. I do hope one of the dotmakers make one with that option. Flip a latch and dump the dot if it breaks.

[static2126]

That?s a really good idea. I do hope one of the dotmakers make one with that option. Flip a latch and dump the dot if it breaks.

I feel like the usefulness of this is a A/D case given average handgun use distance.

Maybe for competition but even then

[Vinnie Boombatz]

That?s what most people think, but not what I?ve seen, happens. When a dot dies (for whatever god-knows-why reason, usually battery, or shock death) people take their time and hunt for their dot. They twirl the gun a bit, pit it up close to their face, slap the dot, etc. i?ve never seen anyone go straight to the irons, which is why they?re there.

In short, just about everyone who shoots with dots are so accustomed to it, that they will push the limit of trying to find it rather than give up and use the irons.

Granted, most decent name brand dot makers are very good about making stuff that works, but occasionally (not often) there will be one or two that die right on the field during use.

I actually think that if a dotmaker makes a ?training mode? where it randomly dies in a slide shock, that it would intentionally turn itself off and train the operator to go straight for the irons, as people should be doing. Training that into routine would be a very good thing.

Interesting perspective, but I don't agree with what you're saying, but you are certainly entitled to your own opinion.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

That?s a really good idea. I do hope one of the dotmakers make one with that option. Flip a latch and dump the dot if it breaks.

On a carry gun? Sure, let's add one more piece or part into the equation to get caught on something which allows it to fail or fall off the firearm. Sounds great to me.

You guys crack me up. It's jsut too bad that many don't spend the same amount of time training as they do coming up with all of these really random "what if" scenarios. It's like going to the doctor and insisting you're sick when there's nothing wrong with you. If you dig deep enough and through enough money and tests at something you'll eventually find something. Just stop overthinking things and overcomplicating them and just train. If you liek red dots strain with red dots. If you don't like them or don't trust them, then simply don't use them. I think part if the problem is the folks who are anti-red dot haven't actually trained with them and jsut spout off opinions based on nothing, or they tried it once and threw a tantrum and said they can't shoot them and don't want to put in the time. My favorite are the crowd who whines and complains that they don't see a dot, they see a blob because of astigmatism. I ahve astigmatism, too. Guess what I do? I put the blob over the part of the target that I want to bullet to hit, and guess what? I t works every time!

[Zenderfall]

Interesting perspective, but I don't agree with what you're saying, but you are certainly entitled to your own opinion.

It isn’t an opinion-it’s what I’ve seen people do. It’s also different than what I used to think people would do, which is switch straight to irons right after the dot dies. Granted, it’s not speaking to the entirety of CA or the US, or all shooters in general. It’s an observation. That’s very different from an opinion.

It would be the same thing as someone saying “dogs don’t lick other dog’s asses” and then me saying, “I’ve seen some dogs do that.” Would you say what I saw was an opinion?

[Vinnie Boombatz]

It isn?t an opinion-it?s what I?ve seen people do. It?s also different than what I used to think people would do, which is switch straight to irons right after the dot dies. Granted, it?s not speaking to the entirety of CA or the US, or all shooters in general. It?s an observation. That?s very different from an opinion.

It would be the same thing as someone saying ?dogs don?t lick other dog?s asses? and then me saying, ?I?ve seen some dogs do that.? Would you say what I saw was an opinion?

No, it's not the same as your example, but again, if that's you're anecdotal experience of a small sample size, then that's your experience, but that doesn't necessarily mean its an accurate representation of everyone as a whole.

[Zenderfall]

It's jsut too bad that many don't spend the same amount of time training as they do coming up with all of these really random "what if" scenarios.

I agree, I think training would benefit a lot of people, and not enough people actually do it. Would you consider USPSA/IDPA competition as training? Because if you do, that’s where I’m seeing these things happen. They're not *what if* scenarios. I didn?t pull these ideas out of my ***, heck I’m not the one that thought of it. But I support new ideas. Isn?t that how red dot optics came about in the first place? As for me? I have guns with dots, some without, and even a scoped pistol. (Yeah, that too). I shoot them all just fine, and can adjust myself to use any one of them. I really like how dots have gotten a lot better but I also see benefits of the multitudes (there?s more than one type) of irons too.

[Zenderfall]

No, it's not the same as your example, but again, if that's you're anecdotal experience of a small sample size, then that's your experience, but that doesn't necessarily mean its an accurate representation of everyone as a whole.

Absolutely correct, which is what I already stated as well.

[static2126]

I agree, I think training would benefit a lot of people, and not enough people actually do it. Would you consider USPSA/IDPA competition as training? Because if you do, that?s where I?m seeing these things happen. They're not *what if* scenarios. I didn?t pull these ideas out of my ***, heck I?m not the one that thought of it. But I support new ideas. Isn?t that how red dot optics came about in the first place? As for me? I have guns with dots, some without, and even a scoped pistol. (Yeah, that too). I shoot them all just fine, and can adjust myself to use any one of them. I really like how dots have gotten a lot better but I also see benefits of the multitudes (there?s more than one type) of irons too.

Depends on which level. Plenty of competitors with sloppy presentation and such under master or grand master. I had a bad presentation from aiwb the other day and threw a round just outside the black of a b8 at 5 yards

Same day cold start I had 2 in the black under 2 seconds from aiwb.

These things will happen. Correct it and move on.

So it really depends on the individual competitor

[static2126]

Example of why I don't carry a 2 moa dot. Sometimes my index is off and abysmal things happen (forgot to switch 2 moa to circle only)

https://imgur.io/a/aqC5PUM

[k1dude]

Personal experience rmrs have more issues than holosun

That's why I run primarily Holosun's now. My experience is the same as yours.

[Atomic Donut]

Personal experience rmrs have more issues than holosun

There?s a reason in my post I specifically put Holosun and Aimpoints. RMRs have a track record of failures and in my opinion are one of the reasons most people are wary of putting them on pistols. Their design is dated, and they are too lazy to advance their technology/ design.

[Munny$hot]

The biggest downside is learning to pick up the dot 100% of the time. The easiest way is once out of the bucket keep your pistola at a 90* angle, then present under your dominant eye. Also you must learn to be target focused vs front sight focus. Once you acquired that skill you'll notice you'll be target focused with your irons as well. Dry fire regularly and it'll become 2nd nature.