Are RDS really practical on a carry gun?

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It?s all about training with them exclusively, switching back and forth from irons to RD is counterproductive.

I am no faster or more accurate with a RD precisely for that reason. I fully understand that if I would stop shooting my irons, I?d be much better with a RD on a handgun. But I am pretty darn fast and accurate with my irons as it is, so I don?t see it as a problem and I still enjoy shooting them.

To me it?s more like shooting a 40 compared to a 9, you will be maybe a few tenths faster with the 9. But even with the 40 you are still pretty darn fast compared to most.

Very true unless shooting irons target focused (say under 7 yards)

I still randomly practice irons but sometimes wonder why I do besides amusement (cheaper than buying a diff gun lol)

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Friend at Sig got me a deal on a Romeo Zero Elite for my P365 XL. I heard these particular RDS are trash but I want to dip my toes in the water off RDS before I get a good one.

Seems like the battery dying at an important time and the need to train to draw extensively in order to have the dot in your view are two serious cons.

What is the upside, better accuracy and faster faster target acquisition?

I recently read Toni McBride, an LAPD officer who was involved in a gnarly OIS a couple of years back, stated she would be carrying irons and not an RDS because the irons saved her life.

Your thoughts on this? I hope this isn?t a Glock vs, 1911 topic, I?m just trying to figure out if I should cut my losses and put that plate back on the gun.

Also personally won't own a red dot that doesn't side load.

My training eps carry is on around 15k rounds.

Have a 509T on 36k rounds

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You do have a very valid point. I trust my aimpoint to be on when I need it. The thing with pistols is that its usefulness will be within 10 yards and so I am nto sure what sort of extra precise shot I could make with an RDS that I couldn't do with the regular sights. I guess if there were multiple bogeys, RDS would make more sense to me.

For a handgun a human being quick stop area around 3x5 in bith head and chest. A dot willl help you put rounds accurately faster

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If you can see your iron sights just fine, RDS isn't a must. It does help in bad lighting conditions where seeing irons sights could pose a problem. As for drawing and aiming. Just like with iron sights, you need to practice and get a consistent draw and aim. Once you have some experience with an RDS, you'll get a feel for it and understand that it's not that different from using irons. I think some people have trouble with them because they're trying to learn it on their own without the assistance of those whom may have experience already.

Excellent point. Eg dynamic with iron sights in a dark parking garage was a nightmare in training for me

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It’s been a while since I’ve looked at RDS. Are they mostly shake awake now or do you have to switch them on?

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It?s been a while since I?ve looked at RDS. Are they mostly shake awake now or do you have to switch them on?

Even the junkRomeo Zero Elite is shake awake. I?d say that any RDS that needs to switch is not appropriate for carry.

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USPSA didn't create a Carry Optics division because the concept sucks.

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Even the junkRomeo Zero Elite is shake awake. I?d say that any RDS that needs to switch is not appropriate for carry.

Shake awake is a chinese concept. Holosun, and SIG getting the chinese parts was the start. If you turn your nose up at chinese optics, you're prob not getting shake awake.

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USPSA didn't create a Carry Optics division because the concept sucks.

Truth

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Shake awake is a chinese concept. Holosun, and SIG getting the chinese parts was the start. If you turn your nose up at chinese optics, you're prob not getting shake awake.

Isnt shake awake started by aimpoint? Holosun just made it cheaper so it can go on budget RDS.

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Isnt shake awake started by aimpoint? Holosun just made it cheaper so it can go on budget RDS.

Nah aimpoint is always on

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Using a RDS on a pistol is like a cheat code. I like using a RDS as a training tool. Since I started using them, I notice that I'm much better with my iron sights (pistol). Now I shoot almost as good with irons as with a RDS. I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else but me.

Anyways, I'd trust a RDS on a long gun that has co-witnessed backup sights. But I'm not ready to trust a RDS on a carry pistol.

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Using a RDS on a pistol is like a cheat code. I like using a RDS as a training tool. Since I started using them, I notice that I'm much better with my iron sights (pistol). Now I shoot almost as good with irons as with a RDS. I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else but me.

Anyways, I'd trust a RDS on a long gun that has co-witnessed backup sights. But I'm not ready to trust a RDS on a carry pistol.

100% makes sense.

May I ask why you don't trust a red dot on a carry pistol? Just curious as many of us edc a dot daily and plenty of Leo's now use dot.

If dot fails use window as a giant ghost ring or use backup irons. Don't lose anything at all

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100% makes sense.

May I ask why you don't trust a red dot on a carry pistol? Just curious as many of us edc a dot daily and plenty of Leo's now use dot.

If dot fails use window as a giant ghost ring or use backup irons. Don't lose anything at all

I dunno just not ready to trust one on a carry gun and iron sights work well enough for me.

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I dunno just not ready to trust one on a carry gun and iron sights work well enough for me.

Makes sense! I mean I wouldn't carry anything I don't trust either