Cal Regs

[jmlivingston]

Here’s the kicker, an 03 license along with a COE certificate is you can purchase more then one 03 handgun from gun shows outside California, once you arrive in California ya’ll need to pay $15.00 and you’re set to go.

The COE is a California state thing, it has ZERO use outside of our state. All you need to purchase C&R handguns (when you are out of state to take physical possession of them) is your C&R license. Within 5 days of returning to the state you have to fill out this form and submit it along with $19 per handgun.

I attend the Las Vegas gun show and walked out with 03 qualified handguns without a hitch.

Correct, but your COE had nothing to do with this.

Also defined C&R longguns like the SKS 59/66 even though Calif knows they are not 50+ years old, rifles like these without printed dates are a grey area but appear to be qualified rifles for C&R sales in California (Without grenade launcher)

There's nothing grey about this. The rifle's not 50 years old so it has to go through an 01FFL if it's within the state. If you're taking physical posession outside of the state, then it doesn't matter.

Just a footnote, most sellers outside California don’t care about our 03 handgun restriction, most of my friends buy them on line without a problem, your call on that one.

That does not make it legal however, and suggesting/advocating such illegal activity will get you removed from the forum.

If YOU are physically INSIDE California and buying an 03 handgun, it doesn’t have go through a 01 FFL dealer.

Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!! All handgun sales in CA must go through a dealer.

You seriously need to spend some time reviewing the applicable firearms law. Especially the 12070 stuff, it's available right here.

John

[bugman]

I just want to clarify with the experts here. Most I read in this thread is either buying out of state or private party, but I might have missed what I was looking for. If I buy a C&R rifle (lets say a Mosin Nagant) from a local store/FFL, I take it that I still need to pay DROS and wait 10 days. I have C&R license but i dont have a COE.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...If I buy a C&R rifle (lets say a Mosin Nagant) from a local store/FFL, I take it that I still need to pay DROS and wait 10 days. I have C&R license but i dont have a COE.

Yes, you are correct.

If you had the COE as well then you could skip the 10 day waiting period, but you'd still have to pay the DROS.

[Theseus]

So, this information has been helpful, but what I am really wondering is if there are any special things I need to do to make sure that I "comply with the requirements of State and local laws applicable to the conduct of business"?

I am not really seeking to be in business, so as an individual do I need to be?

[atavuss]

can someone post a link at the beginning of this thread (mods?) for the C&R and COE DOJ forms please?

[antarius]

Question:

If it's legal for Joe Citizen (with no C&R license) to sell me (also a citizen with no C&R license) a 50+ year old rifle, cash and carry, no dealer required -- how come Big-5 sells me a 60 year old rifle and makes me wait 10 days to pick it up?

[hoffmang]

Question:

If it's legal for Joe Citizen (with no C&R license) to sell me (also a citizen with no C&R license) a 50+ year old rifle, cash and carry, no dealer required -- how come Big-5 sells me a 60 year old rifle and makes me wait 10 days to pick it up?

Non licensees who both live in California and who aren't prohibited can sell 50+ year old long guns to each other with nothing more than a handshake. Licensees like Big-5 are required to go through the full process regardless of the nature of the firearm unless the buyer is a C&R licensee with COE.

-Gene

[antarius]

Non licensees who both live in California and who aren't prohibited can sell 50+ year old long guns to each other with nothing more than a handshake. Licensees like Big-5 are required to go through the full process regardless of the nature of the firearm unless the buyer is a C&R licensee with COE.

-Gene

Gene,

Thank you. After 6 pages of legal mumbo jumbo I was getting confused by my own name, let alone by firearms laws in California.

[mievil]

I think what make this much, much more clear for everyone involved would be an overall statement such as the following:

C&R license - within CA - rifle = X
C&R license - outside CA - rifle = X
C&R license - within CA - handgun = X
C&R license - outside CA - handgun = X

C&R license and COE - within CA - rifle = X
C&R license and COE - outside CA - rifle = X
C&R license and COE - within CA - handgun = X
C&R license and COE - outside CA - handgun = X

X being whether it requires a 10 day wait, transfer to an 01 FFL, payment of the $19 and filling out the handgun form, purchasing online or mail order, purchasing in store, etc.

I for one am only interested in purchasing for the collection reasons, not particularly interested in sale of my collection, and possible bypass of any 10 day wait rules, or multiple handgun purchase rules (either modern or C&R).

Seems like there is so much back and forth [forever] in this thread that a clearly defined example such as the above would be ideal for anyone just getting into the C&R licensing.

Though I'm not sure if there could be a definitive statement such as that.

[quiet-wyatt]

OK - I'm new here and I'll take a stab at this...
And I'm assuming the rifle and handgun references below are C&R rifles and handguns...
And I think it needs to be broken down more if I'm buying from a private party or an FFL Dealer (Type 01)...

OK, everybody - Tear this apart until I get it right!

Buying from a 01 Dealer:
C&R license - within CA - rifle = 01 Dealer DROS – 10-day wait
C&R license - within CA - handgun = 01 Dealer DROS – 10-day wait – Must have HSC
C&R license and COE - within CA - rifle = 01 Dealer DROS – No 10-day wait
C&R license and COE - within CA - handgun = 01 Dealer DROS – No 10-day wait/No 1 handgun per 30 day limit

Buying from a Private Party in CA:
C&R license - within CA - rifle = Cash and carry
C&R license - within CA - handgun = 01 Dealer DROS – 10-day wait – Must have HSC
C&R license and COE - within CA - rifle = Cash and carry
C&R license and COE - within CA - handgun = 01 Dealer DROS – No 10-day wait/No 1 handgun per 30 day limit

Buying Outside CA:
C&R license - physically outside CA - rifle = Cash and carry - no CA paperwork
C&R license - physically outside CA - handgun = Cash and carry – Must submit DOJ paperwork and $19 fee
C&R license - physically inside CA - rifle = Rifle shipped to your door
C&R license - physically inside CA - handgun = 01 Dealer DROS – 10-day wait – Must have HSC
C&R license and COE - physically outside CA - rifle = COE irrelevant outside CA – See above
C&R license and COE - physically outside CA - handgun = COE irrelevant outside CA – See above
C&R license and COE - physically inside CA - rifle = Rifle shipped to your door
C&R license and COE - physically inside CA - handgun = 01 Dealer DROS – No 10-day wait/No 1 handgun per 30 day limit

[Turbinator]

Guys, I thought having a C&R FFL exempts you from a 10 day wait on qualified long guns within CA, when purchasing from another dealer?

Turby

[jmlivingston]

Guys, I thought having a C&R FFL exempts you from a 10 day wait on qualified long guns within CA, when purchasing from another dealer?

Turby

Nope!

[hoffmang]

Guys, I thought having a C&R FFL exempts you from a 10 day wait on qualified long guns within CA, when purchasing from another dealer?

Turby

A C&R and COE will allow you to skip the 10 day wait on a C&R firearm of any type.

-Gene

[Turbinator]

Thanks guys, found this link with the right info:

http://64.82.96.51/cal-ffl.htm

Turby

[timdps]