SKS detachable magazines

[2761377]

It's faster to load the standard fixed magazine using stripper clips, then to load using the "duckbill" SKS detachable magazines.

this actually the reason the PRC made so many. while type 56 rifle equipped soldiers reloaded magazines, type 56 carbine equipped soldiers could maintain a base of fire.

[bohoki]

Star 20 rounders!!

My strippers from my oem Chinese 200 round vest slide smoothly in my pointy sticks

i had one of those but its a fixed magazine over 10 so its an assault weapon i sold mine on ebay i got $75 for it which coincidentally was the same price of an ak drum at the time

[boris badinov]

It's also the same argument they made off list lowers a thing. Even through we all call them AR15s, legally AR-15 is technically only one specific model. So a clone with a different model number isn't an AR-15.

SKS is the name for the Soviet designed and manufactured carbine of 1945; "Samozaryadny Karabin sistemy Simonova"

The same pattern carbine I have was made in Yugoslavia in the 50s-60s and it's not technically an SKS; it's a Model 59.

Technicality? Yes. Just like off list lowers. That said your right it's probably not smart to put a removable mag on a M59 if you want to avoid drama.

Any way you slice it, it's still a dumb argument.

SKS = Semiauto Karbine designed by Simonov.

So, technically speaking, all the variants are still just an SKS

[IrishJoe3]

Any way you slice it, it's still a dumb argument.

SKS = Semiauto Karbine designed by Simonov.

So, technically speaking, all the variants are still just an SKS

No more than a Sig M400 or Aero Precision M4E1 or Daniel Defense DDM4 are "AR15s" as far as the Robert Roos list is concerned. I mean, other then the model name stamped on the side they are identical and completely interchangeable with a branded (and banned) by name AR-15.

Unlike an SKS pattern rifle which will have subtle but distinct difference depending if it's Russian ("SKS"), Yugoslavian ("M59 / M59/66"), Chinese ("Type 56"), Romanian ("M56" and so on.

[highpower]

Rotating back the the premise of the OP, I have tried a couple of the detachable mags in a Chinese type 56 and, quite honestly, they suck balls. If you are stuck in Commiefornia, you are limited to 10 rounds anyway, which is the exact capacity of the stock SKS fixed magazine. do yourself a favor and drop the idea like a bad habit and stick with what actually works.

When installed, they turn a handy little rifle into an awkward thing to carry around as the balance point is right where the mag sits. If you don't live in the Peoples Republic of Cali and you want a rifle that takes a 30 round detachable magazine, just get a AK and be done with it.

[boris badinov]

No more than a Sig M400 or Aero Precision M4E1 or Daniel Defense DDM4 are "AR15s" as far as the Robert Roos list is concerned. I mean, other then the model name stamped on the side they are identical and completely interchangeable with a branded (and banned) by name AR-15.

Unlike an SKS pattern rifle which will have subtle but distinct difference depending if it's Russian ("SKS"), Yugoslavian ("M59 / M59/66"), Chinese ("Type 56"), Romanian ("M56" and so on.

Other than the gas system on the 59/66 and the Alby, SKS parts are also identical and completely interchangeable between national variants.

Go to any online forum and they are all still called an SKS. You don't go to a separate forum for information on each variant.

It's a stupid argument to make, and even worse advice to tell someone it might be worth risking the loss of your firearms, substantial amount of money in fines and legal fees, time in jail, and a felony firearms arms conviction just to play a ridiculous game of semantic chicken with the CA DOJ.

[IrishJoe3]

Other than the gas system on the 59/66 and the Alby, SKS parts are also identical and completely interchangeable between national variants.

Go to any online forum and they are all still called an SKS Ar15. You don't go to a separate forum for information on each variant.

You understand what a "colloquialism" is and how it's not really relevant to a legal discussion right? I mean "sniperscopes" are illegal yet I doubt you're advocating for people to smash what 99% of the population would call a sniperscope.

It's a stupid argument to make, and even worse advice to tell someone it might be worth risking the loss of your firearms, substantial amount of money in fines and legal fees, time in jail, and a felony firearms arms conviction just to play a ridiculous game of semantic chicken with the CA DOJ.

Thin ice? Yeah absolutely. But you sound exactly like the gun owners who mocked the off list lowers movement when it was starting up, and look where we are today; all from playing semantics.


But back on topic, removable mags in a SKS type rifle don't really offer any advantage and are awkward and unreliable in my experience. Top loading with stripper clips is easier and smoother.

[boris badinov]

But back on topic, removable mags in a SKS type rifle don't really offer any advantage and are awkward and unreliable in my experience. Top loading with stripper clips is easier and smoother.

...and 100% illegal on any SKS rifle in CA, regardless of what some might try to tell you online.

[IrishJoe3]

...and 100% illegal on any SKS rifle in CA, regardless of what some might try to tell you online.

This has been hashed out before. And bwiewe is pretty knowledgeable on this.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=429776&styleid=6

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=902080

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=2565315

Now, not all Simonov-pattern rifles are SKSes - even if they are colloquially referred to as such. The 2001 Harrott decision requires specific make/model bans, and there are a variety of origins/manufacturers. The term "SKS" cannot be regarded as referring to a 'series' due to this, and would in fact refer to its base instance (the Russian SKS). Other rifles by China are likely SKSes, with possible exceptions for rare E. German and N. Korean guns. I believe the Albanian SKS has its own make/model too. [A plain-Jane non-Russian-origin SKS without any markings may well be defendable as a non-SKS.]

Of special importance is the common "Yugo SKS" - which is really a Zastava Arms M59 carbine or M59/66 carbine. This rifle is not legally an SKS due to Harrott (no more so than any off-list Stag 15 or CMMG15 or Ameetec or Calguns-marked receiver/rifle being an AR15 series member).

As such, a non-SKS rifle like the Yugo Zastava M59(/66) can have a detachable magazine. A separate caveat regarding Federal matters of domestic parts content/ 'sporting use' in 18 USC 922(r) / 27 CFR 478.39 must be separately complied with and addressed thru the 10-or-less "key foreign parts" game using "compliance parts".]
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The rifle under discussion is formally known as a Zastava Arms M59/66 carbine.

• Nowhere is its make/model an "SKS" other than colloquial terminology.

• For banned "SKS with detachable magazine" to include this non-SKS implies
  that SKS is used as a series. "Series" can't be added to the law, and even if
  it were, individual subseries members would have to be formally identified in
  regulatory code (like the Kasler list for AR/AK formally-identified banned
  'series' members).

• But, there can be no listing of new/additional AWs due to AB2728!

• You are free to add a detachable magazine to such a rifle since it does not make
  it an AW (no evil features) - esp as you seem to have followed 922(r) 'key domestic
  parts content' and thus no longer have a "foreign nonsporting rifle".

• Be verbally prepared to recite the above if LEO doesn't understand.

• The SKS rifle is certainly one item that can bring down the Roberti-Roos list. I'd love for
  CGF to handle an SKS case, but prosecutors will flee case (drop charges) faster than we
  can advance. (This is typical of our AW cases )

[19K]

Any way you slice it, it's still a dumb argument.

SKS = Semiauto Karbine designed by Simonov.

So, technically speaking, all the variants are still just an SKS

It?s like our AR15s.

Unless it?s made by armalite, it?s not an AR-15. Yet they are called ?AR-15s?.

It the many many many variants of “Mosin-Nagants”

Is the Type 53 an M44? Is it a mosin Nagant?

Same with “Mausers”. Is the 1903 a mauser? The 1913/1917s?

[boris badinov]

Yugos are SKS, no semantical leger de main needed to convince me otherwise:


Ohio Guns:
"SKS 7.62MM YUGOSLAV OOV CHARDON, OH"


SDI:
"SKS 7.62 X 39 YUGOSLAV
SDI FOX RIVER GROVE, IL"


Tennessee Guns:
"TG KNOX TN SKS M59 7.62X39 YUGO"


Mitchell Arms:
"MODEL S.K.S. MITCHELL ARMS INC.
CAL7,62 X 39 SANTA ANA, CAL, USA"
ZASTAVA-KRAGUJEVAC
MADE IN YUGOSLAVIA "




Go figure?

[boris badinov]

Just FYI: The SKS rifle used as an example in the Roberti Roos list is NOT a Russian SKS. Nor does Roberti Roos name the Soviet carbine by its "specific" models designation SKS45.

It's a Chinese commecial mod rifle with a spike bayonet. Laff

And under the heading "Manufacturer" it very specifically says various.



No semantic magic.

[IrishJoe3]

Just FYI: The SKS rifle used as an example in the Roberti Roos list is NOT a Russian SKS. Nor does Roberti Roos name the Soviet carbine by its "specific" models designation SKS45.

It's a Chinese commecial mod rifle with a spike bayonet. Laff

And under the heading "Manufacturer" it very specifically says various.



No semantic magic.

Right. And that was true until the 2001 Harrott v. County of Kings case. And that picture has been floating around since at least then.

Robert Roos banned AR15s (among other guns including 'SKS w removable mags')
With Robert Roos, DOJ wanted to ban AR15s and everything similar, and was enforced like that.

The harrot case said no, they couldn't ban a series of firearms. In other words if you ban AR15 (which is/was a specific make model), then they could only ban that make model listed.

That's where the off list lower movement came from and also why we have assault weapons by FEATURE law; DOJ was trying to catch everything that now wasn't covered. There is nothing in the penal code assault weapon by features that relates to a standard SKS type rifle with a removable mag.

Going back to your above posts, my Yugo is not marked anywhere "SKS". It's registered as a "Zavasta M59". So based on your opinion above I'm good right? Not a technically an SKS?

[boris badinov]

Right. And that was true until the 2001 Harrott v. County of Kings case. And that picture has been floating around since at least then.

Robert Roos banned AR15s (among other guns including 'SKS w removable mags')
With Robert Roos, DOJ wanted to ban AR15s and everything similar, and was enforced like that.

The harrot case said no, they couldn't ban a series of firearms. In other words if you ban AR15 (which is/was a specific make model), then they could only ban that make model listed.

That's where the off list lower movement came from and also why we have assault weapons by FEATURE law; DOJ was trying to catch everything that now wasn't covered. There is nothing in the penal code assault weapon by features that relates to a standard SKS type rifle with a removable mag.

Going back to your above posts, my Yugo is not marked anywhere "SKS". It's registered as a "Zavasta M59". So based on your opinion above I'm good right? Not a technically an SKS?

If you live in California, I highly recommend you get detachable mags for all of your Yugo SKS rifles. And then I recommend you go to the DOJ and explain the Harrot decision to them. Perhaps wave your hand suavely like Obi Wan Kenobi when he uses the Jedi mind trick.

Then, let us know when all your confiscated firearms go up for auction. Too bad you won't be able to use those funds to pay your fines and legal fees.

[19K]

If you live in California, I highly recommend you get detachable mags for all of your Yugo SKS rifles. And then I recommend you go to the DOJ and explain the Harrot decision to them. Perhaps wave your hand suavely like Obi Wan Kenobi when he uses the Jedi mind trick.

Then, let us know when all your confiscated firearms go up for auction. Too bad you won't be able to use those funds to pay your fines and legal fees.

Shoulder thing that goes up.