SKS detachable magazines

[Dan_Eastvale]

Is it really that hard to load via stripper clips? I can load mine in about 2 seconds.

Yep, considered good enough for PLA and the Vietcong army

[bwiese]

Okay. Okay.
In the current political and social climate, I still say it's a weak argument going forward. AW laws can quickly change. Just ask gun owners in Washington, or Illinois.

And GOP candidates haven't helped with losses and poor showings in three consecutive cycles. Trump also lost the popular vote in 2016..

Naaah. Even DOJ writings & enforcement are aware of this. This is why
there are ARs and AKs in gunshops with just modified grips - even though
the list

I was one of the small team that helped drive legal AR/AK sales in 2006
onward, and some people did initially get arrested. We got their guns
back and Factual Findings of Innocence. We got Kamala Harris as AG
to state in fed court that an AR with BulletButton mag release was a legal
gun.

Many of the Yugos have "SKS" clearly stamped on the barrel or receiver.

Yeah, irrelevant. I can tattoo Joe Biden on my arse too, but that won't
let me walk into White House.



"[I]Legally, a Zastava M59 is not an "SKS" Period.

Nahh, you gotta understand how laws and court decisions work.

If they wanna change things it will require new legislation (like they did for
AB880 in 2016 when BulletButtons were banned and true fixed magazines
required.)

And with Miller and Rupp cases doing well (incl Miller a win even pre-Bruen)
what your uninformed speculation is is, um, null.

[bwiese]

In real life some of us have jobs, mortgages, families and don't have time let alone the money to waste on legal fees , or gun collections to jeopardize on the legal advice of experts on gun forums.

Work harder. Plus various gun orgs would love to defend this free.

You don't own any detachable mag M59 or 59/66....do you?

I own an InterOrdnance ("IO") imported Yugo M59/66 whose muzzle device
GL function was disabled with welded-on ugly sleeve [so it would not be
regarded as a "DD" destructive device in CA esp in regard to the the 2008?
memo by CA DOJ warning about this.

Since it's ugly I am one day gonna remove this muzzle funk and put a thread
protector on.

I acquired this non-SKS thru a well-known FFL in E.Bay who moved a lotta
these and who was regularly inspected by DOJ staff.

I have not modified it because life's been busy, and because Crapco parts
are often that.

Life's busy but if you source me the necessary
(1) conversion parts for detach 10rd mag;
(2) 922(r) / 27 CFR 478.39 6 or 7 key US-mfg compliance parts...

... I will make a video of assembly of the gun (in proper sequency) with
these parts, with a newspaper of recent date and GPS stamp/photo of
my identifiable patio.

You can then mail this in registered mail (I'll pay) to DOJ and to the SJ
Police Dept with "Bill has a Zastava Arms M59 with detachable mag and
it looks like an SKS!"

Let's see what happens. I will not hold you responsible for anything going
sideways. I would love to be arrested for this.

BTW, this was long ago discussed publicly here on 1 Jan 2007 after AB2728
was passed.

[Quiet]

For what its worth...

The Zastava M-59/66 and M-59/66A1 have a different gas system than the Simonov designed SKS.
^The gas block is different and incorporates a gas cut off setting.

So, technically there is a mechanical difference between the Zastava M-59/66 & M-59/66A1 and the Simonov designed SKS.
^Which can be used as proof that the Zastava M-59/66 & M-59/66A1 are not a "SKS".


Simonov designed SKS:
Soviet (Tula and Izhevsk) SKS
Albanian SKS
Chinese Type 56 Carbine
East German Karabiner-S
North Korean Type 63
Polish ksS
Romanian M-56
Vietnamese Type 1

[bohoki]

geez i'm sorry i brought this up my 59/66 was imported by century and they didnt use the word sks on it there is no way i would put a detachable in anything that is model marked as an "sks"

[Quiet]

geez i'm sorry i brought this up my 59/66 was imported by century and they didnt use the word sks on it there is no way i would put a detachable in anything that is model marked as an "sks"

Technically, as long as the Zastava M-59/66 does not have an restricted features, it would be CA legal to utilize it with detachable magazines.

This is because the Zastava M-59/66 is not an SKS.
^It is not marked "SKS" anywhere on the firearm and there are slight mechanical/technical difference from the Zastava M-59/66 design and the Simonov SKS design.

[bwiese]

Technically, as long as the Zastava M-59/66 does not have an restricted features, it would be CA legal to utilize it with detachable magazines.

This is because the Zastava M-59/66 is not an SKS.
^It is not marked "SKS" anywhere on the firearm and there are slight mechanical/technical difference from the Zastava M-59/66 design and the Simonov SKS design.

Quiet,

Indeed. For LE to assert a Zastava M59 etc. is an SKS means that "SKS with detachable magazine" would be a "series",
which it isn't and which exists _only_ for "Colt AR15 series" and "All AK series...".

And we also know that even if Series membership existed, it would have to be formally identified and entered into Regulatory
code listing (Kasler) etc. Since there's no "series" for SKS and the gun's origin and make/model criteria differ, legislation would
need to either:
(a) add "...series" to SKS Roberti Roos entry + add M59 to new regulatory list;
(b) add Yugo M59/xx to the Roberti Roos list itself.

Identical firearms with no offending evil features and with formally unlisted model names are unbanned.


Separately: even if you CAN convert a Yugo to DM status - and you DO need 922(r) parts - the quality/usefulness/reliability
of crap parts vs original is ungood.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

I think Boris is going to lose his mind when he finds out about all the ARs we have bought in California during the AR15 ban.

[boris badinov]

I think Boris is going to lose his mind when he finds out about all the ARs we have bought in California during the AR15 ban.

I know about ARs in California.

I doubt you'll find it so funny when the left finds a way to ban them under some broader category.

[boris badinov]

...and then we'll be able to stop pretending that they aren't all the same thing.

But it won't be so funny anymore.

[19K]

...and then we'll be able to stop pretending that they aren't all the same thing.

But it won't be so funny anymore.

That is why they went to banning features vs banning specific makes and models.