6.5 Grendel vs 300 Blackout upper

[Jimi Jah]

My AR-47 does pretty good with Hornady 7.62x39, not bad with Golden Tiger steel either. I get about a 7" spread at 400 yards with it, Minute of Man or so. I have a good barrel on it. It kills AK's. 400 is the limit. At 100 it's pretty darn good and real cheap to shoot.

My 20" Grendel is quite a bit better with match ammo, as it should be. If I use Wolf Grendel ammo it shoots worse than my AR-47 at 100 yards. Sometimes it's the arrow, not the Indian.

[AGGRO]

The new lever loads/powder/bullets have taken the old .30-30 to the next level. With a scope they are pretty good all around shooters.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100170635/hornady-leverevolution-ammunition-30-30-winchester-160-grain-flex-tip-expanding-box-of-20

Can't have a can on the .300 so not sure I'll ever want one. My 6.5 is my main deer rig now.

[Mr. Torgue]

I will bet cash money your 7.62x39 cannot group anywhere near a 300BLK, so lets stop trying to compare ballistic performance. You can point at graphs all day and talk about velocity being about the same, but thats useless if you cant hit the broad side of a barn with it. I have shot x39 for about 25 years, since I picked up my first $80 SKS and it was a nice cheap rifle to throw in the truck to plink with, but its just not accurate, and never has been. Its only draw is that in years past it was cheap as chips, and that draw has faded. Not that 300Blk is cheap to buy, but I can handload it cheaper than anything else in my inventory, and the 125gr Speer TNT's are very effective on deer and hogs.

I do like the Grendel, BUT lets not kid around here, its not a cheap caliber to get into. While loaded ammo is available, its really a handload round for most folks. Thankfully Hornady and other brass is fairly cheap these days, and the selection of 6.5 projectiles is second to none, so that takes some of the sting out of it.

I owned 5.45x39 and 7.62x39 uppers for my AR at one point because ammo was stupid cheap, but when that all dried up I sold them both and never looked back.

Cheap 300 is news to me. Anything that would be hunting worthy is still $1/round or better which is the same as the Grendel so your price comparison falls flat on its face.

As for 7.62x39 accuracy, if you use cheap parts and cheap ammo you're going to have garbage groupings just like any other caliber. I don't have a match grade barrel but with hand loads I can get 1.5 MOA using an AR upper and with a mid range barrel. Not something I'd hunt with but it was a fun experiment nonetheless.

You did conveniently ignore the point about accidents with 300 blackout and 5.56. That's part of my decision making that lead me to stay away from the caliber. You cannot get a 7.62x39 round to chamber in a 5.56 gun, even if you tried. The same cannot be said for 300 blackout and there are many damaged and destroyed firearms out there to prove it.

[Xcountryrider]

I personally avoid 300 blackout to avoid an accident destroying my firearms. I don't need subsonic performance so 7.62x39 does the same job and cheaper at that. That being said, if you want to go deer and pig hunting at distance, both will do the job, but the Grendel will give you more leeway. The Grendel can still take deer and pigs safely at 500 yards, 300 is max for the 300. I'm a big fan of the Grendel myself but you won't be able to go wrong with either.

Handloads are great but cheap 5 dollars a box steel case is available. We now have multiple offers from Federal, Hornady, PPU, Wolf and many custom small shops. SO no longer a handload only round your data points are dated now. No no its not expensive to get into and not expensive to shoot. You can buy a decent Barrel bol comb from Spinta and shoot steel case for training and practice and Federal and Hornady for precision and hunting. Its mature and mainstream now and supported by the industry and community. The 300 BO popularity balloned up a couple years ago as it became the fad the Grendel has been experiencing steady growth for over 10 years being the smart mans cartridge.

[dwalker]

Cheap 300 is news to me. Anything that would be hunting worthy is still $1/round or better which is the same as the Grendel so your price comparison falls flat on its face.

I make my own, and they are no where near$1.00 a round. Basically the same per round cost as .223, just a few cents more per projectile, Speer 125gr TNT., which is almost balanced in powder savings.

As for 7.62x39 accuracy, if you use cheap parts and cheap ammo you're going to have garbage groupings just like any other caliber. I don't have a match grade barrel but with hand loads I can get 1.5 MOA using an AR upper and with a mid range barrel. Not something I'd hunt with but it was a fun experiment nonetheless.

1.5 MOA is not acceptable, and thus you prove my point. My 300blk accuracy is MOA or better, and so there is no contest there.

You did conveniently ignore the point about accidents with 300 blackout and 5.56. That's part of my decision making that lead me to stay away from the caliber. You cannot get a 7.62x39 round to chamber in a 5.56 gun, even if you tried. The same cannot be said for 300 blackout and there are many damaged and destroyed firearms out there to prove it.

No, I specifically said that I use Troy mags only for 300blk and pmags only for 223, so I have never had an issue. If your loading 300 into a 223 chamber then your sloppy and kind of deserve what you get.

[Xcountryrider]

The 300 BLK is a weak round slow round with a rainbow like trajectory like a mortor. Its role is suppressed close quarters combat. For California, the Grendel is 1000X better.

[Xcountryrider]

People are plinking with 5 dollars a box Wolf in the Grendel to 500 and 600 yards.

[ar15barrels]

People are plinking with 5 dollars a box Wolf in the Grendel to 500 and 600 yards.

Some people are happy to hear loud noises and feel recoil.

[Xcountryrider]

Grendel at 1 mile!!


Grendel 500 meters with cheap steel case.



using wolf steel case to train



Grendel at 1300 yards

[Xcountryrider]

Some people are happy to hear loud noises and feel recoil.

Some people like to have the ability to train with cheap ammo at short range to medium range without breaking the bank and at the same time switch to another mag and go long range all with the same rifle. Some people like the versatility of the Grendel and don't want a one trick pony like the 300 BO.

[TMB 1]

The 300 BLK is a weak round slow round with a rainbow like trajectory like a mortor. Its role is suppressed close quarters combat. For California, the Grendel is 1000X better.

You mean like the 30-30 and 7.62x39?

[dwalker]

The 300 BLK is a weak round slow round with a rainbow like trajectory like a mortor. Its role is suppressed close quarters combat. For California, the Grendel is 1000X better.

Yeah, maybe, but I can get 30 rounds in a mag, or use a 60rnd drum vs 27 with my highest capacity Grendel mag.

300Blk also accomplishes the same job as the x39 and 30/30 while being inherently more accurate, easier to find the larger variety of components for, and CHEAPER to reload. It uses less powder to get the job done, and while I rarely do, you can actually use subsonics in it and it will actually cycle.

I get that your a 6.5Grendel fanboi. I have one. I also have a 6.5CM, 300WSM, and a bunch of other cool stuff. I still enjoy shooting the 300BLK.

I should note that I owned a 300Whisper back in the day and loved it. I got rid of it only because I did not have the time or space (apartment dweller) to reload for it. I was pretty dang happy when the 300Blk came out and went mainstream. Heck Bass Pro carries more types of 300Blk ammo than they do Grendel...

[TMB 1]

300Blk also accomplishes the same job as the x39 and 30/30 while being inherently more accurate, easier to find the larger variety of components for, and CHEAPER to reload. It uses less powder to get the job done, and while I rarely do, you can actually use subsonics in it and it will actually cycle.

I agree except for the 30-30 is about equal in variety of components for reloading and the 7.62x39 and 30-30 can be extremely accurate in the right rifles.

[ar15barrels]

Some people like...

Since this is really an apples vs. oranges thread, I prefer eating apples and drinking orange juice.

[HectorEscaton]

My $4000 300BO AR-15 with match quality handloads shoot circles around my $80 SKS shooting Yugo surplus ammo that I found buried underground.