6.5 Grendel vs 300 Blackout upper

[Mr. Torgue]

What's that got to do with the price of cheese?

You specifically highlighted a section about suppression work. I pointed out that those calibers have different purposes.

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You specifically highlighted a section about suppression work. I pointed out that those calibers have different purposes.

LOL ok, I highlighted that because it's being made out that the 300 is weak and suppression is all it's good for, but it really does come close to 7.62x39 and 30-30. Which is what I thought we were talking about, not how well the 30-30 & 7.62x39 are suppressed.

[crufflers]

Every single 300 AAC thread on the internets, someone who has not shot it says it is only good for 220 grain suppressed. I think it is better at everything else, and good out of short barrels.

[Whiterabbit]

That's why the wildcat I'm working on on-and-off is a 35 cal. All the advantages of 220grain-suppresed type load, but with 300 grians for more power, and no baggage for the idea of using 125 grains at 9000 fps, since the idea is mine.

[crufflers]

125 grains at 9000 fps, since the idea is mine.

Only Mach 8??? Lame. My rail gun does Mach 8 without powder

When you get that load going 9000 fps, please post a video.

[Whiterabbit]

Hyperbole....


And a history lesson on the great success that was/is 357 maximum....

[dwalker]

We get it, you have some sort of weird hard on for 300 black out. Unlike your weird belief it's not the be all, end all of AR15 calibers and your use of different mags makes no difference in the real possibility of guns getting destroyed by having 300 blackout chamber in in 5.56

Um, I have AR's in a lot of calibers. Just thinking offhand I have them in 9mm, 5.56, 6x45, 6.5Grendel, 300blk, 22LR and I believe a 6.5PCC around here somewhere. I am sorely tempted to do a 22Mag upper and a .450 Bushmaster.

The 300 is a cool caliber that is very handy as a truck or woods gun. IME it is far handier and more accurate/reliable than the x39 or 5.45x39.

1 moa or better in on the level of professional shooters, I doubt the average shooter will match that since 300 is definitely not a grouping caliber.

Well I dont know about your guns, but all my AR's with the exception of the 9mm and 22LR shoot 1MOA or better. The 5.56 and 5x45 are 1/2 MOA guns. I am not a professional, I just like precision. 1MOA is IMHO the standard for a hunting or target platform AR.
5.56- the left and right shots were checking click adjustments-


I get it, you are more concerned with CPR than accuracy, and thats cool, but dont go around thinking that is the standard.

[mif_slim]

1 moa or better in on the level of professional shooters, I doubt the average shooter will match that since 300 is definitely not a grouping caliber.

You're right. This 300blk was shot at 200 yards.


Then the 550 yard grouping...5 shot group in a 20mph cross wind, no lie.



Not for groups. however, the 300 whisper was created for groups. Haha.

[dwalker]

You're right. This 300blk was shot at 200 yards.


Then the 550 yard grouping...5 shot group in a 20mph cross wind, no lie.



Not for groups. however, the 300 whisper was created for groups. Haha.

Imgur bro...

[Xcountryrider]

I like versatility, no one trick ponies, a 300 BLK can only do short range. A Grendel can do short, medium and long range and hit with more energy and penetration at all ranges than a 300 BLK. A Grendel shooting 90gr and 100gr pills is ultra light recoil as well. I just see no point for a 300 BLK in California. I can't think of a single purpose or why people even have them. I think it's all marketing and hype. Since when did slower, poor ballistics, poor penetration, and expensive ammo become something you want? Its a band wagon cartridge nothing more.

[dwalker]

Same can be said of the Grendel. Heck you can barely FIND Grendel in stores...

[AGGRO]

Same can be said of the Grendel. Heck you can barely FIND Grendel in stores...

Two stores here in SD have it all the time. 24 buck plus tax.

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I like versatility, no one trick ponies, a 300 BLK can only do short range. A Grendel can do short, medium and long range and hit with more energy and penetration at all ranges than a 300 BLK. A Grendel shooting 90gr and 100gr pills is ultra light recoil as well. I just see no point for a 300 BLK in California. I can't think of a single purpose or why people even have them. I think it's all marketing and hype. Since when did slower, poor ballistics, poor penetration, and expensive ammo become something you want? Its a band wagon cartridge nothing more.

They test 223, 300Blk and 338. 300 penetrated the most. Ammo is really inexpensive for 300Blk if you reload, cost is less than Grendel whether you reload it or not.

[dwalker]

They test 223, 300Blk and 338. 300 penetrated the most. Ammo is really inexpensive for 300Blk if you reload, cost is less than Grendel whether you reload it or not.

It is really like he has never shot a 300Blk.

It is not just for short range either.. Haley ringing steel at 700 yards.. with a red dot...

[AGGRO]

I seen that when you posted it before. It's velocity was taken from a 24" barrel. 7.62x39 and 300 Blk are usually taken from 16" barrel, but the 30-30 does have more power than the 7.62x39 and 300 Blk just like the 30-06 has more power than the 308. They can get close to the 30-30 just like the 308 can get close to 30-06 especially with light bullets and/or short barrels.

The difference between the new .30-30 and black or AK is 10 grains. Regardless of barrel length. Using a bolt or longer barrel just makes that margin bigger. 37 grains won't fit in the black and if you tried it would be a huge problem for the shooter. The new thirty thirty can push a 160 faster than the black can push a 125 with similar BC. This is more like comparing the thirty thirty to three hundred win mag. Have you seen the bullet drop charts for the AAC? It's pathetic.

Are we talking round nosed bullets or the best of both? The black is a freakin mortar round beyond 200 and a scope thirty would be good to easily 300 yards with half the bullet drop and twice the energy. The main thing for hunting is having enough velocity to actually open up the round for a clean kill.

If anyone rolled in with a black at deer camp we'd make sure they only hunted the stands. Long shots with that wouldn't be ethical.