308 barrel length?

[LynnJr]

Sorry, I didn't realize that I was talking with a world class long range shooter, I thought that it was just for a new shooter actually looking for information.

Your reputation precedes you, I know that Jim has slapped you down a few times on Savageshooters.com for being such a charming fellow on the forums.

World class long-range shooter who thinks a shorter barrel is preferred for 1000 yards with the 308?
You guys telling funny stories again?
Did the highpower shooters have a rule change?
Last I looked most were not using 20 inch barrels.
What Happened?

[smoothy8500]

even the 1:12 twist 20" Scar 20S is capable beyond 1000 yards with 175gr SMK.

typical 145-150gr M80 ball is limited to 600+ yards ime

mine is being able to hit a steel ipsc target, even a nick

Meets the requirements of "Banging steel" all day.

[Fjold]

Delete.

[mtenenhaus]

rhinoortiz (i love that name....)

You have a lot of awesome information above.

I would perhaps suggest that you strongly consider or rather better define how you'll use the rifle, not just the distance to target for the projectile to travel accurately and with stability.... but the distance you'll have to carry the rifle to get to your intended target (will you carry the rifle a short distance from car to bench or are you climbing hill and dale?). Some of the heavier rifles can really be exhausting to carry, at least for me. You do mention that you might hunt with the rifle. It's really tough and likely not all that realistic to imagine a rifle that would optimally shoot tiny groups on paper as well as shooting well at long distances on steel, shooting running game or targets and being able to carry the rifle longer distances. So therein lies just some of the inherent compromises that must be made or at least taken into consideration in making your decision.

As i gain a little more experience in the sport i have really begun to appreciate the importance of rifle balance and stock fit. It makes an incredible difference in how comfortable, consistent, accurately and repeatedly i can effect my shots. Try out a bunch of rifles if you have the opportunity. They do feel different. If the rifle fits you well and is comfortable it will to a certain measure afford a little more flexibility and enjoyment in its effective use.

I too entertained a .308, purchased one...a nice rifle, an accurate rifle, a well respected brand and caliber but unfortunately i could never really get comfortable with the recoil characteristics of the particular caliber. This despite adding even more weight, a muzzle brake, working on technique etc. I'm quite recoil sensitive and i lost some money learning that lesson but i did gain some knowledge in the process which is always good.

The 6 and 6.5 variants are for me just so much more comfortable to shoot for protracted sessions. The fact that commercially available ammunition is becoming ever more present is another benefit. Again, if planning to hunt with that platform the appropriate caliber and projectile must be taken into consideration for ethical and logistical reasons as you consider the specific needs for the game you choose to hunt.

Reloading helps a lot as well with respect to optimizing your needs and rifle performance...another commitment to make however.

At the end of the day, for my needs which is shooting intermediate distances prone or from a bench on paper, I just can't believe how much i truly enjoy my old .222 Remington and my 6.5x47 Lapua. My hunting and mountain climbing days are tragically behind me.

Don't forget to consider budgeting for optics, rings, rest or bipod, sling if you'll carry, cleaning equipment etc.

just some thoughts

[Dave Hoback]

All said very wisely mtenenhaus! I was disabled and my left arm/hand paralyzed in 2014, so I certainly know about things like hunting and such being “behind me”!

Thank you for sharing.

[ar15barrels]

not quite true.

OK.

LOL...

I'll put up a $1000 bet if you want to join me for a day of 1000yd shooting that you can not keep all your shots on an IPSC size plate at 1000yds with your 20" SCAR and factory 175gr smk ammo.

[theLBC]

OK.

LOL...

I'll put up a $1000 bet if you want to join me for a day of 1000yd shooting that you can not keep all your shots on an IPSC size plate at 1000yds with your 20" SCAR and factory 175gr smk ammo.

https://forum.snipershide.com/threads/kac-sr25-ecr-m110-or-fnh-scar-20s.6940476/#post-7804141

[rhinoortiz]

rhinoortiz (i love that name....)

You have a lot of awesome information above.

I would perhaps suggest that you strongly consider or rather better define how you'll use the rifle, not just the distance to target for the projectile to travel accurately and with stability.... but the distance you'll have to carry the rifle to get to your intended target (will you carry the rifle a short distance from car to bench or are you climbing hill and dale?). Some of the heavier rifles can really be exhausting to carry, at least for me. You do mention that you might hunt with the rifle. It's really tough and likely not all that realistic to imagine a rifle that would optimally shoot tiny groups on paper as well as shooting well at long distances on steel, shooting running game or targets and being able to carry the rifle longer distances. So therein lies just some of the inherent compromises that must be made or at least taken into consideration in making your decision.

As i gain a little more experience in the sport i have really begun to appreciate the importance of rifle balance and stock fit. It makes an incredible difference in how comfortable, consistent, accurately and repeatedly i can effect my shots. Try out a bunch of rifles if you have the opportunity. They do feel different. If the rifle fits you well and is comfortable it will to a certain measure afford a little more flexibility and enjoyment in its effective use.

I too entertained a .308, purchased one...a nice rifle, an accurate rifle, a well respected brand and caliber but unfortunately i could never really get comfortable with the recoil characteristics of the particular caliber. This despite adding even more weight, a muzzle brake, working on technique etc. I'm quite recoil sensitive and i lost some money learning that lesson but i did gain some knowledge in the process which is always good.

The 6 and 6.5 variants are for me just so much more comfortable to shoot for protracted sessions. The fact that commercially available ammunition is becoming ever more present is another benefit. Again, if planning to hunt with that platform the appropriate caliber and projectile must be taken into consideration for ethical and logistical reasons as you consider the specific needs for the game you choose to hunt.

Reloading helps a lot as well with respect to optimizing your needs and rifle performance...another commitment to make however.

At the end of the day, for my needs which is shooting intermediate distances prone or from a bench on paper, I just can't believe how much i truly enjoy my old .222 Remington and my 6.5x47 Lapua. My hunting and mountain climbing days are tragically behind me.

Don't forget to consider budgeting for optics, rings, rest or bipod, sling if you'll carry, cleaning equipment etc.

just some thoughts

Thanks for the response. I know I said I might use it for hunting but realistically I have other rifles that are better suited for the task (ie. Marlin 336, 1903 spotter and my 783 rem). I would lile to say I will hint with it but it will most likely be a plinking fun gun out to varying distances. I get that you cant have the one gun does all and that 1k yards is alot harder then it sounds. I see this as mostly a rifle to practice with, learn my techniques and to push my self further and further. As for the caliber, I can deal with the recoil. I dont think it be nearly as bad as the 1903 I have. It's a great rifle but it wears you out buy the end of the day for sure. Theres other factors for picking that caliber as well. I go shooting with a few people that also have 308s so it makes it a bit easier if they want to shoot my rifle they can use there own ammo, we dont worry about running out amd theres plenty of options to choose from. I do plan on getting a 6.5 in the future just not at this moment. I also haven't really set on a specific rifle or setup yet. Just exploring options and simply noticed the lengths most manufacturers offer in that caliber. I do plan on going to a local gun store pretty soon to hold and check out multiple different rifles I'm interested in.

That's funny you lile the name. I'm probably gonna change it soon cause I hate it. I used it when I created the account years ago and just dont like it, lol.

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[rhinoortiz]

I do appreciate everyone's responses. Definitely a lot of good information given. Didnt mean to start any arguments though. Seems barrel length is a heated topic, haha. First post out of the gate and I'm already causing problems, lol.

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[theLBC]

I do appreciate everyone's responses. Definitely a lot of good information given. Didnt mean to start any arguments though. Seems barrel length is a heated topic, haha. First post out of the gate and I'm already causing problems, lol.

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no worries. this is how people learn and adjust their preconceptions.
i don't think the guy that says i am lying has even shot a Scar 20S...since they aren't very common.
there a few competitors using the Scar 20S for long range competitions (gas guns).

[200Apples]

i don't think the guy that says i am lying has even shot a Scar 20S

Whoa, there, cowboy. Who said you were lying? That's some strong language whether you think so or not.

I do recall another user who simply said he'd wager a grand that you could not keep all your shots within a certain target area dimension.

Why not take him up on it?




I've no dog in this fight. I shoot a 17.25" barrel .308 Ruger Gunsite Scout rifle, among other things, and no farther than 300 yards...

[theLBC]

Whoa, there, cowboy. Who said you were lying? That's some strong language whether you think so or not.

I do recall another user who simply said he'd wager a grand that you could not keep all your shots within a certain target area dimension.

Why not take him up on it?




I've no dog in this fight. I shoot a 17.25" barrel .308 Ruger Gunsite Scout rifle, among other things, and no farther than 300 yards...

i would want to risk 1000 bucks trusting myself not to miss one.
i can make 5' putts all day, but put $20 on a 5' putt, and i might choke.

[Dave Hoback]

Whoa, there, cowboy. I've no dog in this fight.

[vintagearms]

https://forum.snipershide.com/thread.../#post-7804141

That poster is from Fl. Is that your post?

[theLBC]

SHlowlight hitting 1500 yards with 20" 308 Rifle