ppq vs vp9

[HPGunner]

Ok thanks - Looks like I have 4 spots left. I'll wait till I have both guns in hand before I comment on them.

My suggestion to the OP is to toss a coin and get either one and look for the other one via PPT if you only have one spot left for SSE.

[RotaryRevn]

Most reviews seem to say PPQ has more felt recoil than VP9 and more than a G19. I have even read that it has more felt recoil than any 9mm should. They say PPQ has a better trigger (slightly) than VP9 however many say they would feel more comfortable carrying the VP9 as apparently the PPQ has a very light trigger. Also, I have read a lot of complaints about the VP9 slide release not locking the slide to the rear after the last round due to most peoples thumbs (when using thumbs forward grip) resting on it slightly while firing.

Which one to buy? IDK It will be nice to hear of some of the CGers who will own both to get some unbiased opinions.

[jb octane]

Most reviews seem to say PPQ has more felt recoil than VP9 and more than a G19. I have even read that it has more felt recoil than any 9mm should. They say PPQ has a better trigger (slightly) than VP9 however many say they would feel more comfortable carrying the VP9 as apparently the PPQ has a very light trigger. Also, I have read a lot of complaints about the VP9 slide release not locking the slide to the rear after the last round due to most peoples thumbs (when using thumbs forward grip) resting on it slightly while firing.

Which one to buy? IDK It will be nice to hear of some of the CGers who will own both to get some unbiased opinions.

Whoever says the PPQ has that much recoil has no credibility whatsoever.

[ruddogg]

Whoever says the PPQ has that much recoil has no credibility whatsoever.

amen

Let's put it this way, I just got my Sphinx out of jail last Thurs, shot it side by side with my PPQ on Sun, both great guns, both GREAT triggers, but I'd prob still pick the PPQ as my CCW/EDC because it's lighter. Waiting for my VP9 to arrive, so I can compare it side by side with my PPQ.

[saudadeii]

$680 OTD for the PPQM2 is a great price or is this before sales tax and DROS?

Mine was $653 OTD for the 4".

[ParadigmShift]

As far as the trigger between VP9 vs PPQ, I much prefer the shorter take-up on the VP9, vs the slightly better break and reset on the PPQ (Yes, I've actually SHOT both pistols), but again, this is based on personal preference and subjectivity.

Besides the triggers (and many will disagree with me here), there are other things I find on the VP9 to be superior vs PPQ :

- Ergonomics. Most already know you can swap out side panels and backstraps on the VP9. I have small hands, so when I switch out the all panels to the small size, it feels better in my hands vs PPQ.

- Build quality. PPQ uses a plastic guide rod. VP9's is steel. There have already been issues with PPQ guide rods being broken:

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ppq/20325-ppq-recoil-rod-broken.html

PPQ's standard sights are also made of plastic like Glocks, VP9? Steel again. Make of that what you will.

Finally, VP9 has the cocked-striker indicator on the rear, which is a bonus safety feature for me.

[static2126]

Whoever says the PPQ has that much recoil has no credibility whatsoever.

This is true. PPQ has more recoil but in no way is it harsh or not manageable

[RotaryRevn]

Whoever says the PPQ has that much recoil has no credibility whatsoever.

probably because the lighter pistol will almost always have more felt recoil and the PPQ is lighter. Everything is always a compromise. You want lighter, you will have to put up with more felt recoil. Some like it, some dont.

[Justintoxicated]

probably because the lighter pistol will almost always have more felt recoil and the PPQ is lighter. Everything is always a compromise. You want lighter, you will have to put up with more felt recoil. Some like it, some dont.

Wow and I thought the VP9 was light.

How is feeding different kinds of ammo in the PPQ? Does it mess up your brass when you shoot it? Just curious I have no idea how the VP9 does in this sense either. I wonder if one will load SWC's better than the other? Does the PPQ allow lead ammo, because typically HK does not. However does the PPQ use a cold hammer forged polygonal barrel? I prefer polygonal barrels in the VP9. But if you want to shoot lead ammo a traditional rifle cut like the PPQ has would be better. These are all things to consider especially if you reload, that go beyond the trigger.

As far as the trigger between VP9 vs PPQ, I much prefer the shorter take-up on the VP9, vs the slightly better break and reset on the PPQ (Yes, I've actually SHOT both pistols), but again, this is based on personal preference and subjectivity.

Besides the triggers (and many will disagree with me here), there are other things I find on the VP9 to be superior vs PPQ :

- Ergonomics. Most already know you can swap out side panels and backstraps on the VP9. I have small hands, so when I switch out the all panels to the small size, it feels better in my hands vs PPQ.

- Build quality. PPQ uses a plastic guide rod. VP9's is steel. There have already been issues with PPQ guide rods being broken:

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ppq/20325-ppq-recoil-rod-broken.html

PPQ's standard sights are also made of plastic like Glocks, VP9? Steel again. Make of that what you will.

Finally, VP9 has the cocked-striker indicator on the rear, which is a bonus safety feature for me.

That was what my research lead me to as well, however replacing the guide rod and your still paying less than a VP9, and some people say there is a need to replace the sights on either model. I thought the glow in the dark sights on the VP9 (non LE version) seemed fine from my initial inspection but its still in jail so if they suck i'll change them out to something else. Not sure what I would change them to though besides maybe some meprolights or something.

[RollingCode3]

Whoever says the PPQ has that much recoil has no credibility whatsoever.

I have owned both. Sold the PPQ last year. PPQ has a very sweet trigger but I shoot it a lot slower than my GLock or M&P due to the muzzle flip. The PPQ doesn't have more "recoil" than the VP9 but it has more "muzzle flip" than the VP9. Even Larry Victor thinks the PPQ has more muzzle flip than the VP9. So he has no credibility but you do? Head over the Waltherforums.com and see how many PPQ owners complaint about the muzzle flip and most of them even replace with a heavier recoil spring/guide rod to reduce the muzzle flip.

[Nor*Cal]

I have heard complaints of the PPQ's excessive muzzle flip countless times. It seems to be a very common opinion with PPQ reviews.

That feedback is actually the main reason I do not own a PPQ and decided to jump on the VP9 bandwagon.

[joe_sun]

Larry Vickers says the additional muzzle flip is due to the slide velocity.

He also said it how awesome it was but this was before the VP9 came out

[HPGunner]

Even with all the side by side reviews from owners of both it's tough to make a judgement without shooting both. Even that is sometimes not enough, because shooting it is one thing, but owning a gun also involves carrying it, field stripping it and cleaning it countless times in order to determine if the gun is match made in heaven for you.

So far I've read on this thread the excessive muzzle flip and the broken plastic guide rods of the PPQ. Any negative comments about the VP9 besides the trigger is not as crisp and the reset is longer than the PPQ?

[Canadadry]

I have owned both. Sold the PPQ last year. PPQ has a very sweet trigger but I shoot it a lot slower than my GLock or M&P due to the muzzle flip. The PPQ doesn't have more "recoil" than the VP9 but it has more "muzzle flip" than the VP9. Even Larry Victor thinks the PPQ has more muzzle flip than the VP9. So he has no credibility but you do? Head over the Waltherforums.com and see how many PPQ owners complaint about the muzzle flip and most of them even replace with a heavier recoil spring/guide rod to reduce the muzzle flip.

I've shot my PPQ at one of the few ranges in California that let you rapid fire. Nice Shot in Redding. That was one of the most fun I've had at the range. It's amazing how fast you shot this thing and how accurate it is.

There is such a thing as driving a gun and controlling recoil/muzzle flip. I probably won't get a VP9 because it seems very close to the PPQ

[VectorScalar]

Of course sights and guide rod are replaceable for the PPQ. I don't think the PPQ is available with 10 round mags so there is that issue too (might add to the cost to buy new mags or have yours pinned).

Yes, there are factory 10 rounders for the PPQ - they just came out about a month ago I hear, and I pounced when the MidwayUSA in-stock email came in.

Also, there is pronounced muzzle-flip compared to, say, my SR9c, but not enough that the PPQ isn't my favorite pistol.

.....at least until I DROS my VP9. Then we'll see.