ppq vs vp9

[ParadigmShift]

How is feeding different kinds of ammo in the PPQ? Does it mess up your brass when you shoot it? Just curious I have no idea how the VP9 does in this sense either.

I've shot about ~400rds of LAX Ammo and ~200rds of Federal Munitions 115g ball ammo through my VP9 already, without a hitch, but that's not really news.

I'm gonna put it through its paces pretty soon, I've already shot a box of 50 Underwood 147gr +P+ , and again VP9 handled it without a hitch. Would have shot more, but 1) it's expensive, and 2) it's my SD load and I didn't have more to spare for the range. Ill try to get my hands on more +P+ sometime in the future, but I'm pinching pennies to buy a 3rd VP9 in the meantime.

[Justintoxicated]

Even with all the side by side reviews from owners of both it's tough to make a judgement without shooting both. Even that is sometimes not enough, because shooting it is one thing, but owning a gun also involves carrying it, field stripping it and cleaning it countless times in order to determine if the gun is match made in heaven for you.

So far I've read on this thread the excessive muzzle flip and the broken plastic guide rods of the PPQ. Any negative comments about the VP9 besides the trigger is not as crisp and the reset is longer than the PPQ?

Yes if your grip is to high it can rub on the slide release and cause it to not lock back on the last round. Another member on a different forum said the magwell is a little sharp.

[INFAMOUS762X39]

Just wanted to share this interesting Blog from MAC. I am debating between the PPQ M1 and VP9 as well.

I love my G19 Gen3 but simply do not trust the neutered 10rd mags when running various JHP. Also thinking about pulling the trigger on the new shield with no External safety. Decisions, Decisions...

http://www.thebangswitch.com/when-polymer-fails/

[brooTool]

probably because the lighter pistol will almost always have more felt recoil and the PPQ is lighter. Everything is always a compromise. You want lighter, you will have to put up with more felt recoil. Some like it, some dont.

the PPQ is only 1.5 oz weight difference, not a big enough weight difference to back up your theory; yes it's 1.5 ounces more heavy but we wouldn't be able to tell the difference in recoil.

[jb octane]

I have owned both. Sold the PPQ last year. PPQ has a very sweet trigger but I shoot it a lot slower than my GLock or M&P due to the muzzle flip. The PPQ doesn't have more "recoil" than the VP9 but it has more "muzzle flip" than the VP9. Even Larry Victor thinks the PPQ has more muzzle flip than the VP9. So he has no credibility but you do? Head over the Waltherforums.com and see how many PPQ owners complaint about the muzzle flip and most of them even replace with a heavier recoil spring/guide rod to reduce the muzzle flip.

Nice try at an argument but I doubt Larry Vickers ever said "it has more felt recoil than any 9mm should." Plus you are replacing the word "recoil" in my post with "muzzle flip". Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

Here, let me even put what I said and you said side-by-side.

Whoever says the PPQ has that much recoil has no credibility whatsoever.

The PPQ doesn't have more "recoil" than the VP9

[PandaBear]

The PPQ trigger is lighter, crisper at the break, and has a shorter and more pronounced reset. The VP9 trigger has slightly less initial take-up.

The PPQ's and its features work for me and that is what matters at the end of the day. I do think they deserve to be compared to one another.

[RollingCode3]

Nice try at an argument but I doubt Larry Vickers ever said "it has more felt recoil than any 9mm should." Plus you are replacing the word "recoil" in my post with "muzzle flip". Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

Here, let me even put what I said and you said side-by-side.

Do you even know what is the difference between "recoil" and "muzzle flip"? I never put words in your mouth. WHat the hell are you talking about? I have owned both and I think the PPQ has more muzzle flip than the VP9. The recoil impulse seems the same to me for both guns.

If you want to quote me, at least quote the whole sentence. This is what I said. Apparently you dont know the difference between "recoil" and "muzzle flip".

The PPQ doesn't have more "recoil" than the VP9 but it has more "muzzle flip" than the VP9.

[jonzer77]

If you reload then you can make a nice, accurate load without a lot of muzzle flip.

[jb octane]

Do you even know what is the difference between "recoil" and "muzzle flip"? I never put words in your mouth. WHat the hell are you talking about? I have owned both and I think the PPQ has more muzzle flip than the VP9. The recoil impulse seems the same to me for both guns.

If you want to quote me, at least quote the whole sentence. This is what I said. Apparently you dont know the difference between "recoil" and "muzzle flip".

Recoil is the rearward distance that the gun travels after being fired. Muzzle flip is the torque applied to the firearm with the fulcrum length defined with handguns as "bore height".

Let me try the quoting again to see if you understand...

First, mentions of recoil:

Whoever says the PPQ has that much recoil has no credibility whatsoever.

The PPQ doesn't have more "recoil" than the VP9

Next, mentions of muzzle flip:

jb octane - no mentions of muzzle flip.

PPQ has a very sweet trigger but I shoot it a lot slower than my GLock or M&P due to the muzzle flip. The PPQ doesn't have more "recoil" than the VP9 but it has more "muzzle flip" than the VP9. Even Larry Victor thinks the PPQ has more muzzle flip than the VP9. So he has no credibility but you do? Head over the Waltherforums.com and see how many PPQ owners complaint about the muzzle flip and most of them even replace with a heavier recoil spring/guide rod to reduce the muzzle flip.

I hate to bring RotaryRevn into this petty debate but this is what he said:

Most reviews seem to say PPQ has more felt recoil than VP9 and more than a G19. I have even read that it has more felt recoil than any 9mm should. They say PPQ has a better trigger (slightly) than VP9 however many say they would feel more comfortable carrying the VP9 as apparently the PPQ has a very light trigger. Also, I have read a lot of complaints about the VP9 slide release not locking the slide to the rear after the last round due to most peoples thumbs (when using thumbs forward grip) resting on it slightly while firing.

He never said anything about muzzle flip so I only responded about the recoil.

[customiiguy]

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I have to wonder if the PPQ users that thinkt he trigger is more crsp are comparing brand new VP9 triggers to broken in PPQs? How much difference would this make?

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broke my ppq out of jail today and i can say the trigger was better than i expected. havent felt the vp9 trigger tho

[Hylas]

I have a Walther PPQ M2 4inch and its my favorite pistol that i own, i had planned on getting a VP9 as well but i handled one at the recent Ontario Gun show and i wasnt as impressed as i had hoped to be, granted i havent shot one but still, the trigger wasnt even close to what i was expecting.

[Canadadry]

My vote is for the VP9, HK makes solid dependable weapons, they are also the originators of striker fired pistols. I have read that it shoots slightly better than the PPQ. The The trigger is excellent, but I haven't tried the PPQ's trigger which most say is better (Some like the VP9s better). I prefer triggers with less takeup (some reviews say the PPQ has less and some say more) but again I have not tried the PPQ's to see if it would be enough to bother me (probably not).

If all you care about is the trigger then probably get the PPQ, however also realize that I don't like plastic sights or the plastic guide rod, and I would want the paddle release version which is being phased out for the push button. I think the VP9 has more adjustment ergonomically as well.

Of course sights and guide rod are replaceable for the PPQ. I don't think the PPQ is available with 10 round mags so there is that issue too (might add to the cost to buy new mags or have yours pinned).

It's possible I might end up with both before the end of the year though. You need feedback from someone who owns both.

I have to wonder if the PPQ users that thinkt he trigger is more crsp are comparing brand new VP9 triggers to broken in PPQs? How much difference would this make?

Why can't you get a VP9 now? They seem to be going in and out of stock all the time.

No. The PPQ trigger is better even new.