which .45

[spacemonkey]

Just want a 1911 to abuse and tinker with. I will get my colt "safe queen" later. I'm thinking colt model 01970cy. For duty carry I have a usp .45
I am partial to the 1911a1 but want to try to stay below 500.00

[CALRaider]

Right! Two months ago, I purchased a 1000 rds of .556 for $300 shipped.

1000 x 5.56 for 300 USD shipped is a fantastic deal in today's market.

Moving on:

Since most people won't read the article I posted, here's some excerpts:

Ken: And the thing you’re proving, Todd, is from a durability standpoint let’s face it, it surpasses any 1911. Because at 50,000 rounds, a 1911 needs a severe overhaul. It’s going to need to be rebuilt and it’s going to have a lot of parts that are worn out.

Todd: How would you compare the HK45 to a top-quality custom 1911?

Ken: You can buy an HK45, send it to Bowie and get the mods that Larry suggests — though with my hand size I don’t need them — and get Heinie sights. You’ve got a pistol one half or even one third the price of a top 1911 pistol today that is more reliable and every bit as accurate. For most anybody I can imagine if you said you need a pistol to stake your life on and you’re going to be someplace you can’t run to a pistolsmith every time you need it, if your choice is between an HK45 and a 1911 and you don’t take the HK45, you’re ****’ing brain dead.

Larry: Yeah, I agree 100%. Ken is spot on. For the average guy, it’s a far better choice. The 1911 is an enthusiast’s pistols. In order to keep that gun running you have to, it’s not optional, you have to become your own armorer to a degree. You have to be able to diagnose and fix minor problems on an end user level. If you’re not willing to sign up for that, frankly you have no business running a 1911 for anything other than occasional recreational shooting. If you’re going to put yourself in harm’s way with that gun and you’re not willing to sign up for that, then you need to avoid it. The HK45 is clearly the better choice. For the overwhelming number of people who feel like they need to have a .45 the only two real choices are the M&P45 and the HK45 and push come to shove if I’ve got to trust my life to one or the other, it would be the HK45.

We both are in agreement that if you had to go to Afghanistan for a year with just a handful of spare parts, what do you have confidence in getting the job done? The HK45. That would be my first choice. I think it is the most bomb-proof service pistol on the market. And we just saw SEAL Team Six go with the HK45 Compact for those reasons.
I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt the HK45 would not exist without me and Ken. I’m not saying we cured cancer with the HK45. What we did is just kind of show HK this is the obvious next step in a .45 caliber service pistol.

Larry Vickers is a decorated US Army Special Forces veteran and national pistol champion. Mr. Vickers has nearly two decades of special operations experience (1 SFOD-Delta), much of which was spent as his unit’s Primary Firearms Instructor. In addition to his special operations accomplishments, his competitive shooting has yielded a 10th and 9th place finish in the 1993 and 1994 USPSA Limited Nationals as well as a 1st place finish in CDP class at the 2001 IDPA Mid-Winter Nationals at Smith & Wesson. Mr. Vickers is a founding member of IDPA. In addition to being a highly experienced operator and national pistol champion, Mr. Vickers is also one of the premier 1911 pistolsmiths in the country and his work has been featured in several firearms publications and on the cover of American Handgunner. In addition to all this, Mr. Vickers has served as a consultant and technical expert to the firearms industry. Mr. Vickers is featured on two new firearms, tactics, and accessories focused T.V. shows called Tactical Impact and Tactical Arms.

Ken Hackathorn has served as a US Army Special Forces Small Arms Instructor, Gunsite Instructor, and NRA Police Firearms Instructor. He is currently an FBI Certified Firearms Instructor, Certified Deputy Sheriff with Washington County SO, Ohio, and a SRT member and Special Response Team trainer. Ken has trained US Military Special Operations forces, Marine FAST and SOTG units and is a contract small arms trainer to FBI SWAT and HRT. Ken has provided training to Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies and been active in small arms training for the past 25 years. He has written firearms related material for Guns & Ammo, Combat Handguns, Soldier Of Fortune, and currently American Handgunner and contributed to at least six other gun/shooting journals. Ken was also a founding member of IPSC and IDPA.




So my question is, how can any of you argue with that, from those sources?

[Nate]

Just want a 1911 to abuse and tinker with. I will get my colt "safe queen" later. I'm thinking colt model 01970cy. For duty carry I have a usp .45
I am partial to the 1911a1 but want to try to stay below 500.00

Rent one, shoot it, if you like it buy it.

Ignore CalRaider. The next thing he will do is post a video of the guys from red jacket putting their AR in sand and water.

[CALRaider]

But I am a 1911 enthusiast and I'm not going to Afghanistan. I own an HK45c but I'd rather shoot my 1911s.

That's fine. The problem is those who fall in love with their 1911s are the same that TYPICALLY will argue that it's a superior combat pistol.

MOSTLY the level of butthurt I'm displaying has to do with the fact that the Marine Corps got conned into giving Colt a contract to supply 1911s. I'm pretty disapointed in that.

[CALRaider]

Rent one, shoot it, if you like it buy it.

Ignore CalRaider. The next thing he will do is post a video of the guys from red jacket putting their AR in sand and water.

ARs don't do too hot in sand and water :-/

[Nate]

ARs don't do too hot in sand and water :-/

But red jacket says it does!

All bantering aside. I take it from your location in Oside, and your posts, you are a Marine. Thanks for your service!

[kris smith]

My first was a third hand but in very nice shape ria officers model. I loved it but was a bit hard on the hand to shoot due to size I then got ahold of a colt/ Essex build from the 70s with a lot of custom work. And I love that they do be come addiction

[Nate]

SEAL Team Six go with the HK45 Compact for those reasons.What we did is just kind of show HK this is the obvious next step in a .45 caliber service pistol.

Larry Vickers is a decorated US Army Special Forces veteran and national pistol champion. Mr. Vickers has nearly In addition to his special operations accomplishments, his competitive shooting has yielded a 10th and 9th place finish in the 1993 and 1994 USPSA Limited Nationals as well as a 1st place finish in CDP class at the 2001 IDPA Mid-Winter Nationals at Smith & Wesson. Mr. Vickers is a founding member of IDPA. In addition to being a highly experienced operator and national pistol champion, Mr. Vickers is also one of the premier 1911 pistolsmiths in the country and his work has been featured in several firearms publications and on the cover of American Handgunner. In addition to all this, Mr. Vickers has served as a consultant and technical expert to the firearms industry. Mr. Vickers is featured on two new firearms, tactics, and accessories focused T.V. shows called Tactical Impact and Tactical Arms.

Ken Hackathorn has served as a US Army Special Forces Small Arms Instructor, Gunsite Instructor, and NRA Police Firearms Instructor. He is currently an FBI Certified Firearms Instructor, Certified Deputy Sheriff with Washington County SO, Ohio, and a SRT member and Special Response Team trainer. Ken has trained US Military Special Operations forces, Marine FAST and SOTG units and is a contract small arms trainer to FBI SWAT and HRT. Ken has provided training to Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies and been active in small arms training for the past 25 years. He has written firearms related material for Guns & Ammo, Combat Handguns, Soldier Of Fortune, and currently American Handgunner and contributed to at least six other gun/shooting journals. Ken was also a founding member of IPSC and IDPA.




So my question is, how can any of you argue with that, from those sources?

Here is how I argue that point. I just watched a program on the Military Channel that had former Navy Seals. The show stated the Sig 226 or 229 in 9mm was the weapon of choice. I guess if its on the Internet, it must be true.

[CALRaider]

But red jacket says it does!

All bantering aside. I take it from your location in Oside, and your posts, you are a Marine. Thanks for your service!

It's an honor and a privilege. Thanks for the support.

[CALRaider]

Here is how I argue that point. I just watched a program on the Military Channel that had former Navy Seals. The show stated the Sig 226 or 229 in 9mm was the weapon of choice. I guess if its on the Internet, it must be true.

The "weapon of choice" for numerous years for Navy SEALs was the SIG 226/229. However, one must realize there are Navy SEALs and then there are other Navy SEALs. The other Navy SEALs adopted the HK45CT into their inventory. I'm sure the SIG still has it's place; however, unless you believe the book "No Easy Day" is a complete work of fiction, you can rest assured that the HK45CT was adopted.

You can play the internet card, but I'll just say---the HK45CT is in service with entities in the DOD that have more trigger time and harsher demands than anyone to include myself posting on this forum.

[brian5271]

I got to give you props for admiting to owning a 9mm 1911 in public.

My name is Brian, and I am a 9mm 1911 owner.

All kidding aside, a 1911 in 9mm is fun to shoot. I bought it because I was doing two action pistol events every month (pre ammo shortage) and going through 500+ rounds of 45 ACP every month was getting expensive.

[1911ShooterPhil]

A 9mm 1911 is no slouch in the right hands....

I got to give you props for admiting to owning a 9mm 1911 in public.

Do you have much experience using a 9mm 1911? For carry, competition, or work? Yes/no? Maybe so...

They are a blast to shoot, dude. Seriously, consider them an option. 9mm 1911s can be tack drivers in the right hands. Maybe not mine, I'll give you that...but, sometimes they are. I have only used mine for training and for competition purposes, but still, if need be, I can still use my 9mm 1911 pistol on my CA state-issued handgun license(s) for security work because I qualified for .38/.357, 9mm, and .45ACP...so, all else fails, it will fit in my 1911 concealment and duty holsters. I am perfectly content with mine. And, hey, in this market, I'll save money where I can! 9mm prices on defensive ammo is cheaper than .45ACP, so it's all good, dude. Is it as effective as .45ACP? Maybe...maybe not...depends on bullet placement. Needless to say, I do better than several I've come across, but not all...so I will take my chances if that's what need be, dude. And, I'm OK with that.

In the end, a 9mm 1911 is still a blast to shoot...literally! It's fun and I love 'em. No haters need apply. Believe me, my guns are working guns. None of them get used lightly. Cheers! --1911ShooterPhil

[CALRaider]

I am sure 1911 in 9mm is a blast. It's like saying fruity alcohol beverages are good. They might be. You just don't ever say that. Ever. Give me your man card.

[1911ShooterPhil]

A .45 of course...

I am sure 1911 in 9mm is a blast. It's like saying fruity alcohol beverages are good. They might be. You just don't ever say that. Ever. Give me your man card.

Okay, yeah, I hear you.

For most of my duty work I use either one of my well-worn RIA 1911s or my SIG 220. Both are tried and true .45's and I'll happily depend on them.

Just saying, a 9mm 1911 is still no slouch in the right hands, dude. --1911ShooterPhil

[CALRaider]

1911s aren't about facts, they're about penis size, and if you reduce the size of the round, what does that say!?