Glock vs Browning

[missiontrails]

The Hi Power is an antiquated design. Sure it "fits the hand" and all that, but compared to the Glock and other modern pistols, I don't see a point to it.

The Glock is much more durable
More reliable
More likely to function with less maintenance
Easier to work on yourself
Can be fed hotter ammunition without worrying about accelerated wear until miles down the road

IMO the 1911 has been adapted and carried in modern times and has stood the test and proven itself to be a worthy contender next to modern .45 pistols.

The Hi Power is a relic that's quite beautiful to look at but falls behind as a combat or a competition pistol.

It's been used by military forces and continues to be used today because they haven't replenished sidearm stocks, but I don't know of any military forces replacing their old Hi Powers with new ones.

The fact that the 7075-T6 aluminum alloy frame P226 is proven more durable than the all-steel Hi Power says something about the fragility of the design of the latter.

I rarely think handguns become outdated (because think how far the designs and cartridges go back in time) but the Hi Power is outdated compared to modern 9's.

Absolutely well said. People who blast you for it are simply butt-hurt because they are BHP owners who may take it personally, and then proceed to bad mouthing polymer pistols. I still want a BHP MKIII just to have though.

[lapsbpbep]

I think the HP handles the 40 better because of the steel frame but that's me have . But we are talking about a 1000 $ vers a 650$ gun dated or not that is what every one said about the 1911. I love my HP but for a gun that u don't have to with worry about if it gets beat up a little bit go with a glock or m & p or spring field or SIG . I am not a big HP fan but I love mine would not trade it for any other guns but I wold love to have a 10 mill glock

[SilverTauron]

Absolutely well said. People who blast you for it are simply butt-hurt because they are BHP owners who may take it personally, and then proceed to bad mouthing polymer pistols. I still want a BHP MKIII just to have though.

I don't own a Browning HP.

I do believe that the Glock and other polymer frame pistols are seriously over-hyped. "Antiquated" guns were passing torture tests back when Glock was in the tool business.

[missiontrails]

I don't own a Browning HP.

I do believe that the Glock and other polymer frame pistols are seriously over-hyped. "Antiquated" guns were passing torture tests back when Glock was in the tool business.

Yes, and '57 Chevys were the cars used back then also. Now we have seat belts, unibody construction with plastic bumpers and airbags, which saves lives. Not to mention less pollutants, better economy, navigation etc. Polymer over-hyped? Give me a break. That's the future... composites and polymer = less weight and most strength and resilience. I can completely dismantle a Glock in 8 minutes with ONE punch, and NO hammer.... what can you do with your BHP/1911?

[Blue Ridge Reef]

IMO the 1911 has been adapted and carried in modern times and has stood the test and proven itself to be a worthy contender next to modern .45 pistols.

The Hi Power is a relic that's quite beautiful to look at but falls behind as a combat or a competition pistol.

It's been used by military forces and continues to be used today because they haven't replenished sidearm stocks, but I don't know of any military forces replacing their old Hi Powers with new ones.

I rarely think handguns become outdated (because think how far the designs and cartridges go back in time) but the Hi Power is outdated compared to modern 9's.

The main thing that makes a Hi Power a "relic" is the price tag. Military forces aren't carrying Roger's Precision 1911's, either. Polymer guns are light, inexpensive, and hold more ammo. No denying those upsides, but I don't see how a 1911 holds up as a platform and BHPs don't. Their limitations would seem identical to me. I own and like several different polymers and 1911's as well. They all go bang, all are damn reliable, all are easy to shoot targets with and would make people dead if needed. I don't see where one gun just got surpassed along the way and was no longer as good at putting holes at where you aim it!

[BHPFan]

Arghh....both are great, no doubt. Tough question. I like my Glock 21SF(did a trigger job myself), but if I had to pick ONE and ONLY one gun, I'd take my HP Browning for these reasons:
1) Easier to conceal
2) Slimmer and fits better in my hand
3)SA/DA
4)Amazingly reliable even with reloads

Both are great, I strongly prefer anything by John Moses Browning and especially HP.

I couldn't say it any better. When it comes to 9mm pistols, BHP is at the top of my list. That being said, my SHTF pistol is the G30SF only because it's smaller, shoots the same amount of rounds (in CA) and uses a bigger caliber.

Bhp is a nice firearm. But I would have to go with glock on this one. Reliability and function is always winner imo

BHP's are reliable and functional as well, 75+ years of production, history and usage pretty much backs it up. My BHP pistols have gone bang everytime I shoot a round especially reloads that made my Glock 19 hiccup (my experience). Yes, there are reasons why reloads and unjacketed lead rounds are not recommended for Glocks in case you did not know.

Absolutely well said. People who blast you for it are simply butt-hurt because they are BHP owners who may take it personally, and then proceed to bad mouthing polymer pistols. I still want a BHP MKIII just to have though.

Really? How do you figure that?

The main thing that makes a Hi Power a "relic" is the price tag. Military forces aren't carrying Roger's Precision 1911's, either. Polymer guns are light, inexpensive, and hold more ammo. No denying those upsides, but I don't see how a 1911 holds up as a platform and BHPs don't. Their limitations would seem identical to me. I own and like several different polymers and 1911's as well. They all go bang, all are damn reliable, all are easy to shoot targets with and would make people dead if needed. I don't see where one gun just got surpassed along the way and was no longer as good at putting holes at where you aim it!

True. BHP's are more expensive than Glocks and most polymer pistols (except maybe HK). That is one of the drawbacks of the BHP: price, not to mention the cost to manufacture a BHP vs the cost to manufacture polymer pistols. So, if buying in bulk, it will come out a lot cheaper to buy Glock or polymer pistols like the XD9 or M&P9. The other drawback of the BHP (if you compare it to the 1911) is that there are not as many companies making BHPs as companies making the 1911.

[m98]

depends.....if I already had the hi power and it functions fine without malfunctions, then so be it.....but If I had to go pick one out only and get into a possible fire fight with a scumbag or scumbagS, I would pickup a g19. More ammo in the mag. I've also seen first hand hp magazines fail. The feed lips could no longer hold even 40cal. On a glock, it's less likely due to different design

[missiontrails]

I couldn't say it any better. When it comes to 9mm pistols, BHP is at the top of my list. That being said, my SHTF pistol is the G30SF only because it's smaller, shoots the same amount of rounds (in CA) and uses a bigger caliber.



BHP's are reliable and functional as well, 75+ years of production, history and usage pretty much backs it up. My BHP pistols have gone bang everytime I shoot a round especially reloads that made my Glock 19 hiccup (my experience). Yes, there are reasons why reloads and unjacketed lead rounds are not recommended for Glocks in case you did not know.


Really? How do you figure that?



True. BHP's are more expensive than Glocks and most polymer pistols (except maybe HK). That is one of the drawbacks of the BHP: price, not to mention the cost to manufacture a BHP vs the cost to manufacture polymer pistols. So, if buying in bulk, it will come out a lot cheaper to buy Glock or polymer pistols like the XD9 or M&P9. The other drawback of the BHP (if you compare it to the 1911) is that there are not as many companies making BHPs as companies making the 1911.

How do I figure that? Because people who say "I don't care for polymer pistols" never have a good reason. How can you blanket classify ALL polymer pistols? I can understand if maybe a brand or two didn't fit your hand or something. But in general comments like that are narrow minded and pin headed. You probably don't like FN SCAR's, ACR's or any of the modern breeds of HK rifles that have polymer lowers either? Same concept. I wouldn't be surprised if Browning came out with a polymer HP, like CZ did with the Shadow.

[Kurgan]

How do I figure that? Because people who say "I don't care for polymer pistols" never have a good reason. How can you blanket classify ALL polymer pistols? I can understand if maybe a brand or two didn't fit your hand or something. But in general comments like that are narrow minded and pin headed. You probably don't like FN SCAR's, ACR's or any of the modern breeds of HK rifles that have polymer lowers either? Same concept. I wouldn't be surprised if Browning came out with a polymer HP, like CZ did with the Shadow.

The Glock fanboy in you is strong........ LOL.

How about I don't like the feel of plastic pistols being a good reason?

[Knomad]

Are people still debating the reliability of Glocks? How silly.

Silly? Then why are so many people looking for Gen 1, 2, or early Gen 3 9mm Glocks? Could it have something to do with brass in the face and the occasional FTE from the more recent guns?

[den888]

Glock, for sure

[SilverTauron]

Yes, and '57 Chevys were the cars used back then also.

OK

Now we have seat belts, unibody construction with plastic bumpers and airbags, which saves lives. Not to mention less pollutants, better economy, navigation etc.

This thread ain't about cars....

Polymer over-hyped? Give me a break. That's the future... composites and polymer = less weight and most strength and resilience. I can completely dismantle a Glock in 8 minutes with ONE punch, and NO hammer.... what can you do with your BHP/1911?

Whoop.

Tee.

Do.

Polymer frame guns like the Glock are competent pistols, but absurd torture tests serve only to boost the marketing value of the product. I've somehow been able to keep my concealed weapon out of the mud,and my day job isn't in some desert with a no-name agency.

[missiontrails]

OK





This thread ain't about cars....



Whoop.

Tee.

Do.

Polymer frame guns like the Glock are competent pistols, but absurd torture tests serve only to boost the marketing value of the product. I've somehow been able to keep my concealed weapon out of the mud,and my day job isn't in some desert with a no-name agency.

If you can't beat em, join em... polymer is the future...... deal with it. My only gun at the moment is not polymer, but I've had many, and I will have many more. The vehicle analogy was a direct counter to your antiquated points.

[fullspeed1]

Another lame thread of APPLES vs ORANGES....

[BHPFan]

How do I figure that? Because people who say "I don't care for polymer pistols" never have a good reason. How can you blanket classify ALL polymer pistols? I can understand if maybe a brand or two didn't fit your hand or something.

Making assumptions, eh?
Not all pistol owners (who own both polymer and metal pistols) stated "I don't care for polymer pistols."?
In fact, I still own 2 polymer pistols and in general, I spoke well of other polymer pistols that I've owned and sold.
I may not like all polymer pistols just like I may not like all metal pistols, I'm an equal opportunity hater. On the same token, I will still point out flaws on both pistols (Glock and BHP) as I own and shoot both.
Someone said that the BHP is an outdated design. OK...if the BHP is an outdated design, then what does that make the 1911? Last I've seen and it's FACT: both pistols are still in production and still in use.
1911's are sold more than BHP's, why? Just how many companies are producing it?
What do polymer pistols have to do with the discussion? Check how much does it cost to produce a polymer frame vs producing a steel frame and let me know why a lot more polymer pistols are produced nowadays?
Let me put an analogy: S&W discontinued their 3rd Gen semiautos (at least for civies) in favor of producing their M&P pistols. Is it because the 3rd Gen semiautos stank? Is it because it's an outdated design? I don't think so and neither does the LEO's who used them.

But in general comments like that are narrow minded and pin headed. You probably don't like FN SCAR's, ACR's or any of the modern breeds of HK rifles that have polymer lowers either? Same concept.

Once again, you're making an arse out of you and me (assuming) thinking I don't like FN SCAR's and polymer rifles in general: in fact, I love to have a SCAR-H, but will I pay the price currently going? no. Will I take an HK G36? yes. Will I take a FS2000 or Steyr AUG? Hell yeah, but like I said, paying the current prices going for them, hell NO.

I wouldn't be surprised if Browning came out with a polymer HP, like CZ did with the Shadow

Well obviously, you don't know who makes the BHP (yeah, I'm making an arse out of you and me). Sure, a polymer HP can be made just like they made a DA/SA or DAO HP years ago, but will they make it? Who knows considering they also got a few excellent lines of polymer pistols that are not doing so badly.