"high capacity" mags

[GMANtt]

This is true, but by that extension, why would you ever take your guns out of your house? You run the risk of being pulled over, vehicle search, confiscation, etc.

Either your actions are legal or they are not.

I get what you mean by 'playing around with these laws'... if by 'playing around' you mean following the letter and complying completely with an extremely poorly written and pretty much un-enforceable law.

Breaking the law is breaking the law.

Speed limits 45 you're doing 46 with everyone else doing 55. You get pulled over and given a ticket. Why? Because you were breaking the law. You were the unlucky one.

[Press Check]

A PD could defend those bogus charges.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Very true, never thought of it like that. But Departments have powerful lawyers. I'm sure those who are worried (younger guys like me who work for 10 bucks an hour) would be lucky to beat a police department.

Plus it's your word, someone who had possession of a magazine that.held more than the legal California 10 round limit, against a uniformed law enforcement officer backed by an agency who upholds the law.

I still think you're not clear; your 'word' versus an officer's 'word' has nothing to do with it.

If I'm at the range with my AR and a pile of 30 rounders, and an officer is there and asks me to prove I owned them previous to the ban, I can tell them politely to pound sand.

I cannot stress this enough:

YOU DO NOT NEED TO PROVE WHEN OR WHERE YOU ACQUIRED HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES.

If the officer wanted to pursue it, it would be dependent upon him to prove I acquired them illegally.

[Ubermcoupe]

If you have legal magazines than you can politely respond with “these are legal.” No reason to volunteer information into a felony charge.

That being said (and as much as I hate the 10+ mag limit) if you manufacture a magazine of 10+ rounds in CA and are not exempt - whether a prosecutor or DA or whatever can prove it or not is irrelevant - you are still committing a FELONY.

I don’t know about you, but knowing that I committed a felony to get 7 extra rounds in my glock would eat me alive.

You either follow the laws or you don’t.

[glock21fan]

Random question on the topic. Has ANYONE HERE actually been questioned on magazines? I've had officers inspect my weapon when working security for a armored car company (hi cap exemption) and never even was asked about my mags. Or my armored car company I.d. I don't condone anyone doing illegal stuff but did anyone have the black helicopter follow them? Lol.

[Paperchasin]

That being said (and as much as I hate the 10+ mag limit) if you manufacture a magazine of 10+ rounds in CA and are not exempt - whether a prosecutor or DA or whatever can prove it or not is irrelevant - you are still committing a FELONY.

Aren't we Innocent until Proven Guilty?? Remember that possession is not a crime. You are not guilty of anything until they can prove it.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Random question on the topic. Has ANYONE HERE actually been questioned on magazines? I've had officers inspect my weapon when working security for a armored car company (hi cap exemption) and never even was asked about my mags. Or my armored car company I.d. I don't condone anyone doing illegal stuff but did anyone have the black helicopter follow them? Lol.

I have seven registered assault weapons, and oh jeez, I have no idea how many hi-cap mags for them and various other handguns I own, and I have never, not once, in the past 12 years been asked a single question regarding them, at any range I've ever gone to.

Okay may with one exception; Jackson Arms required (don't know if they still do, haven't shot there in awhile) you to show the registration form from the DOJ if you want to shoot your RAWs there. Their house, their rules. No big deal.

But outside of that, it's never happened. Now, this is strictly anecdotal, but that's been my experience.

[GMANtt]

FELONY

Can't prove I manufactured them.
Can't prove that I didnt.

In my experiences with LEOs you can't tell them no.

[JeremyS]

Just because its not illegal doesn't mean they can't arrest you for it.

You can beat the rap(after a lot of headaches and $$$) but you can't beat the ride.

There's just no reason to play around with these laws.

I do agree with you that doing something like this has the possibility of costing you legal fees to defend against.

That said: when you are arrested, the police officer needs a reason and they need to write down the section of the penal code under which they are arresting you (at least this is my understanding. They *must* cite the code). As there is nothing in the CA penal code against owning, possessing, or using "hi-capacity" magazines, there is no code the officer can cite to justify arresting you. .............That's assuming you don't open your mush and say something stupid that implicates you as having imported, assembled, etc (the hi-cap mag things that are actually illegal), or become belligerent and give the officer a separate reason to arrest.

[Ubermcoupe]

Aren't we Innocent until Proven Guilty?? Remember that possession is not a crime. You are not guilty of anything until they can prove it.

Charging and conviction have nothing to do with this.

If I sit in a room and manufacture a high capacity magazine, and no knows it, I still committed a crime - a Felony.
If you believe the adage of “If no one sees it, it didn’t happen/its not illegal” than that’s your prerogative.

Maybe you have experience, but I wouldn’t sleep well knowing I committed a FELONY.

[GMANtt]

I do agree with you that doing something like this has the possibility of costing you legal fees to defend against.

That said: when you are arrested, the police officer needs a reason and they need to write down the section of the penal code under which they are arresting you (at least this is my understanding. They *must* cite the code). As there is nothing in the CA penal code against owning, possessing, or using "hi-capacity" magazines, there is no code the officer can cite to justify arresting you. .............That's assuming you don't open your mush and say something stupid that implicates you as having imported, assembled, etc (the hi-cap mag things that are actually illegal), or become belligerent and give the officer a separate reason to arrest.

What if the officer cites you manufactured it because you're "too young" to own a hi cap magazine.

[Ubermcoupe]

Can't prove I manufactured them.
Can't prove that I didnt.

In my experiences with LEOs you can't tell them no.

I don’t need to prove anything - If you know that you committed a crime (a felony) and you can sleep at night, than that’s your choice.

I don’t like the law any more than anyone else but I will not skirt/lie to my self to enjoy a few extra rounds in my handgun; but that’s just me.

[GMANtt]

you know that you committed a crime (a felony) and youyour

Actually it's only a felony for 3 years. After that its thrown out the window. Not saying I manufacturered, just speaking theoretically.

[Travis590A1]

You really lose sleep over having loaded hi-cap mags? Feel sorry for you.

[Ubermcoupe]

Actually it's only a felony for 3 years. After that its thrown out the window. Not saying I manufacturered, just speaking theoretically.

Theoretically.

I just wish the mag law would disappear faster - I have so may kits just lying around.