Cable lock scam

[halifax]

Okay, in this case the gun (A Taurus Tracker) is in fact on the CA DOJ Approved list noted by bigcalidave. Bastards.

I don't see any revolvers with the keylock system on that list but maybe I'm just missing it. "Device Type" would say "Internal".

Is the integral locking system ON the list at the AG website?? Lemme get that for you...

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/fsdcertlist

If its on that list, it's an approved locking device and no further lock is necessary. Should be easy to prove, all the language is available on that page.

[92greenyj]

ummm, didn't the new gun come with a lock? Every gun I have bought in the last 5 years has come with a cable lock for it in the box. Just lock it in at the counter when they hand it over. I did this for the last gun I bought at Discount Gun mart and the last one I bought at Turners. Did take a small hard pistol case with me to Turners though since new guns are now coming in cardboard boxes.

[Ubermcoupe]

i just print a receipt for my new unopened cable lock dated within the 30 days.

Is it legally acceptable to sell yourself a lock? I only ask because I would love to do the same thing but I have never gotten a straight answer...

Anyone weigh in on this part???

I operate a lock exchange program if they have a compliant one available to them (i.e., you provide me with one, I'll provide you with one for your new purchase). So long as people either give me one or bring the one I provided back, I'll always have one to spare for the next customer.

I wish More gunstores did this!!!!

GUNSTORES/FFLs are you listening???

[Ubermcoupe]

[timmy8151]

Easy. Buy a CA approved at Walmart to satisfy the requirement and return it after you've picked up the gun.

[Ubermcoupe]

Easy. Buy a CA approved at Walmart to satisfy the requirement and return it after you've picked up the gun.

[HCz]

Easy. Buy a CA approved at Walmart to satisfy the requirement and return it after you've picked up the gun.

There was a LGS that would not accept the new lock I bought from Walmart. They muttered something along the lines of 'it must be purchased on the day of picking gun up'. I really wasn't in the mood to straighten out the facts, but when I went to pick up the gun, another employee who knew better didn't say a thing.

[gono]

If it's a new purchase a lock should already be included. If it's a ppt, some shops are extra cautious and make you buy a new one some will interpret as they see fit. with no definitive description from ATF it's easier to just charge for a new lock.

[Librarian]

It also states that the BATF does not recognize the CA Safe Affidavit, however there are no requirements, from the feds, to produce proof that a safe, or any locking device, is present.

So if the gun dealer is convinced that the buyer has a safe, why does that NOT satisfy federal requirements?

Halifax posted the ATF letter, but the bolded part, above may need a bit more explanation.

BATF has not written regulations to implement or clarify how to comply with 18 USC 922 (z). In April of 2006, BATF published an 'open letter' that promised later rulemaking - and that never happened. (And, IMO, the interpretation given by that 2006 letter is simply wrong.)

Having already used incompetence and intransigence, I'm running out of 'in-' prefixed words to describe BATF's failure here.

But with no BATF guidance whatsoever, CA FFLs take a great risk regarding BATF audits, because neither FFLs nor BATF agents have a clue how this is supposed to work.

[Steve1968LS2]

Not quite true. A new lock isn't required, if you fill out the safe affidavit. This fulfills the California requirement. There's nothing in the Federal law that requires a new lock, just that one must be provided with the gun. Also note, that there is no receipt within 30 days requirement for federal law.

Sorry, but you are wrong..

The "safe affidavit" isn't worth crap in terms of handguns.. You're wrong on the the rest too.

[keenkeen]

The answer in the near term is: (For Zero dollars and Zero gas...and less time than it takes to read this thread)

1) One CA approved lock that you already have

2) Online receipt generator

Just update the date on your receipt every 30 days and keep it in your car....or print a whole years worth in advance and just toss them as they expire.

I keep 2 setups like this in my car as I often PPT a couple of guns at the same time/ffl. Lots of times I don't end up needing them but if an FFL requires it I have it ready.

[Ubermcoupe]

The answer in the near term is:

1) One CA approved lock that you already have

2) Online receipt generator

Just update your receipt every 30 days and keep it in your car.

I keep 2 setups like this in my car as I often PPT a couple of guns at the same time/ffl.

[paul0660]

i just bought Beretta px4 and we went to do the transfer the lady asked and saw it came with the factory cable lock wrote it down and that was it didn't ask me to buy a lock.

Well there you go.

[keenkeen]

You sell a bunch to a buddy and he sells a bunch to you...if you want to do it that way.

[Librarian]

Not quite true. A new lock isn't required, if you fill out the safe affidavit. This fulfills the California requirement. There's nothing in the Federal law that requires a new lock, just that one must be provided with the gun. Also note, that there is no receipt within 30 days requirement for federal law.

Sorry, but you are wrong..

The "safe affidavit" isn't worth crap in terms of handguns.. You're wrong on the the rest too.

I don't think so.

KMCA's version actually meets the laws as we know them. The safe affidavit still meets the requirement of California law.

The problem is, BATF has strongly intimated, but not quite said, that the selling FFL must be the source of that lock or “secure gun storage or safety device”.

We know that interpretation is wrong.

Since 18 USC 921 (a)(34) includes a safe as an acceptable “secure gun storage or safety device”, and we know that most safes can contain more than one handgun, the BATF intimation leads to requiring a handgun buyer who prefers a safe for his “secure gun storage or safety device” to buy a safe with every handgun. I don't think even BATF would come out and make that assertion.

But without BATF actually doing its job and providing regulations, it's safer for a selling FFL to act as if BATF's interpretation is correct.