Cable lock scam

[hornswaggled]

I am so sick of gun stores who spread FUD to try and nickel and dime their customers. My friend just bought a gun from Discount Gun Mart in San Diego and they wouldn't let him walk out without either:

1) A "CA DOJ approved" lock purchased within the last 30 days AND with a receipt to prove it.

or

2) Buy a cable lock from them.

This is for a gun WITH an integral locking system by the way. A reputable shop like Parallax Tactical will just use the ILS, but I guess some gun shops just go the extra mile to suck.

[gant]

i heard of some shops doing this, the guns ive bought never have


and these guys want us to support there local gun shops when they do stuff like this.

[9mmlaw]

Does not sound like a scam to me. I am not aware of the DOJ approving an ILS as a replacement for an external lock. That being the case then you must have a lock bought within the last 30 days or buy one from the store.

[InGrAM]

Every time I buy a handgun I get that crap, I pull out an old cable lock and the cashier usually just says "whatever, I don't care" or "that'll work" and just lets me go about my business. That is BS, that they made your friend buy a lock....

[dobek]

Think Guys - It's EASY

Buy their lock - walk out to your car - store your new gun - walk back in and return the lock for a refund

Unless there is a sign that says no returns on locks - they are screwed

Steve

[louscamaro91]

The springfield armory ILS is a DOJ accepted locking device.

Factory installed on all Springfield Armory 1911 pistols which feature the I.L.S. (Integrated Locking System). The I.L.S. is certified for use when installed on all of the following 1911 models except the CRG Model 1911 and the Ultra Compact High Capacity 1911: Colt, Auto Ordnance, Charles Daly, Para Ordnance, Rock River Armory, Kimber, Les Baer, Wilson, Llama, STI International, SV Strayer Voigt, U.S.G.I., Argentin Manufacturer, Caspian Arms, Valtro, Ed Brown.

http://safetydevice.doj.ca.gov/desc_rpt.asp

[Chaos47]

Does not sound like a scam to me. I am not aware of the DOJ approving an ILS as a replacement for an external lock. That being the case then you must have a lock bought within the last 30 days or buy one from the store.

^ This ^

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Buying_and_selling_firearms_in_California#Locks_or_safety_devices_are_required

12088.1. (a) All firearms sold or transferred in this state by a
licensed firearms dealer, including private transfers through a
dealer, and all firearms manufactured in this state, shall
include or be accompanied by a firearms safety device that is
listed on the Department of Justice's roster of approved
firearms safety devices...

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Buying_and_selling_firearms_in_California#Locks.2C_Safes.2C_and_Laws

(e) The sale or transfer of a firearm shall be exempt from
subdivision (a) if all of the following apply:
(1) The purchaser or transferee purchases an approved safety
device no more than 30 days prior to the day the purchaser or
transferee takes possession of the firearm.
(2) The purchaser or transferee presents the approved safety
device to the firearms dealer when picking up the firearm.
(3) The purchaser or transferee presents an original receipt
to the firearms dealer which shows the date of purchase, the
name, and the model number of the safety device.
(4) The firearms dealer verifies that the requirements in (1)
to (3), inclusive, have been satisfied.
(5) The firearms dealer maintains a copy of the receipt along
with the dealers' record of sales of firearms.

So unless that integral locking system is on the DOJ roster of approved firearms safety devices..
Then you need a lock.
If it is on the list you are right. Show them the list and you should be good to go..

Just do the other tricks that people have listed.

[louscamaro91]

Does not sound like a scam to me. I am not aware of the DOJ approving an ILS as a replacement for an external lock. That being the case then you must have a lock bought within the last 30 days or buy one from the store.

See my post.

[bigcalidave]

Is the integral locking system ON the list at the AG website?? Lemme get that for you...

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/fsdcertlist

If its on that list, it's an approved locking device and no further lock is necessary. Should be easy to prove, all the language is available on that page.

[marc4]

If I'm doing a PPT and I'm the buyer, I bring my own lock and give it to the seller. I tell him it's his lock that goes with the gun, if he doesn't provide one with it. It's all good from there.

[Steve1968LS2]

Not a scam.. it's CA law.. then again many of our laws sound like scams.. lol

I had one store where they would sell you a lock from a bucket for $4 and if you came back they would give you $4 for it and return it to the bucket. You could come back right after leaving the store.

I heard another store in Orange (Fowlers?) gives you $3 for each new condition lock you bring in.. that would be nice since I have a big bucket of useless locks.

CA thinks they can legislate responsibility.. they can make people buy 20 locks but if the person is irresponsible it won't do a thing.. a responsible gun owner would lock up a gun even if he wasn't required to buy the lock.

What's funny is when you buy a used gun that still has the original lock and you have to buy a NEW lock just the same.

Gotta love or little disfunctional state..

[Steve1968LS2]

If I'm doing a PPT and I'm the buyer, I bring my own lock and give it to the seller. I tell him it's his lock that goes with the gun, if he doesn't provide one with it. It's all good from there.

You need to give him a paper reciept too (not more than 30 days old).. having the lock doesn't mean squat

[HPGunner]

If it's a used gun that you got via PPT then you must have a lock purchased within the last 30 days even though the gun comes with a lock. That's what I'm told - don't know if its true or not.

New guns purchased that comes with a DOJ approved lock is not required to purchase another one. At least that's what I'm told - don't know if its true or not.

[Capt Jack]

Short answer: I believe you pretty much have to get a gun lock if it doesn't come with one.

Long version, from Turners Website:
"California law requires that all firearms sold, be transferred with a trigger lock, cable lock, qualifying gun cabinet or lock box, or gun safe. These devices may include those approved trigger locks that come with the majority of new firearms or one that was purchased within the last 30 days, provided that it is accompanied by a receipt.

State law dictates that persons who already own a safe or lock box can sign an affidavit attesting to ownership of those devices. However Federal law now requires that a trigger lock accompany any handgun transfer without consideration of CA law. Effectively this means that safe affidavits are no longer acceptable since the Federal law went into effect."

http://www.turners.com/engage/faq.php#6

I'm sure someone can get a link to the doj info. I say spend the $6 (what my LGS charges) and get your gun!

[louscamaro91]

For some reason I thought your refereeing the Springfield 1911.
Lots of gun manufacturers have a ILS the is DOJ approved. Beretta is another example.