"high cap mags" threads

[HK4113]

Why not just make a sticky about high cap mag legalities, then every time a thread about high caps is made, lock it down and link to the sticky.

[69Mach1]

We're doing that now.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=124709

[OneSevenDeuce]

What I as the Owner understand is that YES IT IS HAPPENING.

Again, you seem to be failing to understand what I'm saying to you. I know it happens. I said as much in several responses to you. What I am saying NOW is that the posts the OP refereed to gave no indication, or any reason to believe, that what they were doing in illegal. And yet he, and apparently you, took issue with it anyway. Do you understand?

[supersonic]

.And this clever little comment is exactly what causes threads like this to be made.

The implication that the smart ones know how to get away with breaking the law and that if people quit making noise about it they can continue to do so.

Believe it our not we're not so stupid as to not see what is being said...

I think I'll take a few excerpts from another mod's post on here, as it seems to .....ummmm...FIT:

Uh, no. I did not say that, you are saying that I said that. You have missed the point..

. If you read into that, then.. well:


You are either "claiming to see into [my] heart" or you're just wrong.

Good lord. "This clever little comment" implied nothing whatsoever about getting away with anything or "breaking the law." Show me one thing about that "clever little comment", one single word, even that would lead any logical person to come to that conclusion. By the way, since it is apparent that I must 'clarify' here, the statement is very simple. I will translate it for all: If everyone would just quit the 'back-and-forth about the whole subject, we wouldn't have wasted thread space like this one right here. The STUPID ONES (the ones who actually BREAK the law) will reap what they sow. The "SMART ONES" (the ones who DO NOT BREAK THE LAW) will remain unscathed.

Believe it or not, reading words that are not there and then making accusations as you see fit doesn't make one "smart." Not by a longshot.

I couldn't agree more. End of discussion, topic closed.

Jeep- please excuse my rant above as you obviously understood what I said. Wasn't hard, was it? I just tend to go crazy when words are put into my mouth & "implications" (ESPECIALLY those of felonious intent) are conveniently 'wedged' into my words.

[CrazyJeep]

Jeep- please excuse my rant above as you obviously understood what I said. Wasn't hard, was it? I just tend to go crazy when words are put into my mouth & "implications" (ESPECIALLY those of felonious intent) are conveniently 'wedged' into my words.

No need to apologize....but I do think a lot of what I made bold above is going on here in this thread. I knew what you were talking about.

I think people should stop sticking their noses in places where they don't belong, or being so "observant" about things they don't know the facts on. See what happens when someone cries wolf, it tends to get people's panties in a bunch. If people want to "help the effort", perhaps they should contact people directly and tell them whats up instead of making a thread that is rather pointless.

[OneSevenDeuce]

No need to apologize....but I do think a lot of what I made bold above is going on here in this thread. I knew what you were talking about.

I think people should stop sticking their noses in places where they don't belong, or being so "observant" about things they don't know the facts on. See what happens when someone cries wolf, it tends to get people's panties in a bunch. If people want to "help the effort", perhaps they should contact people directly and tell them whats up instead of making a thread that is rather pointless.

Again, well put.

[i1800collect]

Good lord. "This clever little comment" implied nothing whatsoever about getting away with anything or "breaking the law." Show me one thing about that "clever little comment", one single word, even that would lead any logical person to come to that conclusion. By the way, since it is apparent that I must 'clarify' here, the statement is very simple. I will translate it for all: If everyone would just quit the 'back-and-forth about the whole subject, we wouldn't have wasted thread space like this one right here. The STUPID ONES (the ones who actually BREAK the law) will reap what they sow. The "SMART ONES" (the ones who DO NOT BREAK THE LAW) will remain unscathed.

Believe it or not, reading words that are not there and then making accusations as you see fit doesn't make one "smart." Not by a longshot.

Actually, this being the an online forum, your ambiguous statements leave a lot up for interpretation. You state "The stupid ones here would simply get busted" implying that they were breaking the law and are just too stupid to get away with it. Then you continue to state "The smart ones here would.....well, they would just go on enjoying life". I can very easily understand how someone would interpret this statement to mean that people smart enough to break the law and get away with it...well, they would just go on enjoying life.

[Kestryll]

Again, you seem to be failing to understand what I'm saying to you. I know it happens. I said as much in several responses to you. What I am saying NOW is that the posts the OP refereed to gave no indication, or any reason to believe, that what they were doing in illegal. And yet he, and apparently you, took issue with it anyway. Do you understand?

*sigh* Apparently you are having problems understanding if you're reading those and saying 'they're just innocent comments'.

Let's look at them:

looking for some g17 mags, can anyone confirm that CDNN will disassemble mags for legal sale to CA, or do they fall under the "NO HI-CAPS TO CA" camp.

'looking for some g17 mags'
Not 'looking for a rebuild kit' or 'looking for parts to fix my magazines', he is looking for new magazines.
'mags, can anyone confirm that CDNN will disassemble mags for legal sale to CA'
He is wanting CDNN to disassemble them so they can be shipped to CA under the claim that they are 'parts' not magazines.
'or do they fall under the "NO HI-CAPS TO CA" camp.'
This right here is proof that he is discussing hi-cap mags and knows that bringing them in to CA as is is illegal.

Even if it has the 17rnd mags can he take them apart and ship it to my FFL???

'Even if it has the 17rnd mags'
He is clearly asking about a weapon he is looking to buy that comes with magazines that he knows he can not buy.
'can he take them apart and ship it to my FFL???'
He is NOT asking about rebuild kits or repairing a damaged magazine he is asking about how to acquire the 17 round magazines that the seller is offering and that is illegal.


You can try to play games with 'Well he didn't outright say I want to buy illegal mags' but you know every bit as well as I do that is a delusional argument built on bullcrap.
The intent in each of these is crystal clear to anyone older than 9 and to try to claim that these are just innocent comments is flat out silly.

You're not that blind and neither am I.

[Kestryll]

I think I'll take a few excerpts from another mod's post on here, as it seems to .....ummmm...FIT:

Good lord. "This clever little comment" implied nothing whatsoever about getting away with anything or "breaking the law." Show me one thing about that "clever little comment", one single word, even that would lead any logical person to come to that conclusion. By the way, since it is apparent that I must 'clarify' here, the statement is very simple. I will translate it for all: If everyone would just quit the 'back-and-forth about the whole subject, we wouldn't have wasted thread space like this one right here. The STUPID ONES (the ones who actually BREAK the law) will reap what they sow. The "SMART ONES" (the ones who DO NOT BREAK THE LAW) will remain unscathed.

Believe it or not, reading words that are not there and then making accusations as you see fit doesn't make one "smart." Not by a longshot.

Yeah, it was all innocent...

Sorry, not stupid enough to buy that.

You know what your comment and little winking smiley meant and so do I.

[OneSevenDeuce]

You're not that blind and neither am I.

Wow, by your interpretation of those posts you obviously are making leaps of faith that I am not willing to make.

[Kestryll]

Wow, by your interpretation of those posts you obviously are making leaps of faith that I am not willing to make.

No, I'm using discernment, judgment and logic.

[OneSevenDeuce]

No, I'm using discernment, judgment and logic.

Honestly bro, what you seem to be using is a willful disregard for the facts. Just because someone asks if a company will disassemble magazines for shipment into California does not mean that he isn't legally trying to acquire a rebuild kit (Which is a disassembled magazine. You know that.). That is a leap of predicate logic, and if you can't see that I would question how much logic you are actually using, or indeed, your knowledge of the processes of logic in the first place.

[Cyc Wid It]

Honestly bro, what you seem to be using is a willful disregard for the facts. Just because someone asks if a company will disassemble magazines for shipment into California does not mean that he isn't legally trying to acquire a rebuild kit (Which is a disassembled magazine. You know that.). That is a leap of predicate logic, and if you can't see that I would question how much logic you are actually using, or indeed, your knowledge of the processes of logic in the first place.

I think we all know that wording is pretty important when it comes to issues of legality. The wording, which Kestryll broke down in an earlier post (while not 100% proof) is certainly suspect. It's probably in the best interests of the mod/this board to deal with threads/posts like that.

I think it's a safe assumption that a vast majority of the people asking these types of questions have a good idea of how the law works.

[OneSevenDeuce]

'looking for some g17 mags'
Not 'looking for a rebuild kit' or 'looking for parts to fix my magazines', he is looking for new magazines.
'mags, can anyone confirm that CDNN will disassemble mags for legal sale to CA'
He is wanting CDNN to disassemble them so they can be shipped to CA under the claim that they are 'parts' not magazines.
'or do they fall under the "NO HI-CAPS TO CA" camp.'
This right here is proof that he is discussing hi-cap mags and knows that bringing them in to CA as is is illegal.

We KNOW he is discussing high caps. He never denies this. Bringing disassembled magazines into California is not illegal. No matter what you insist other people call them, it is not an illegal act. Even if he never owned a high cap magazine in his life, he can still import rebuild kits. He can sell them, or block them, whatever. It doesn't matter what you THINK he is going to do with them. What you are suggesting is tantamount to a witch hunt for who you THINK might be committing a crime.

Even if it has the 17rnd mags'
He is clearly asking about a weapon he is looking to buy that comes with magazines that he knows he can not buy.
'can he take them apart and ship it to my FFL???'
He is NOT asking about rebuild kits or repairing a damaged magazine he is asking about how to acquire the 17 round magazines that the seller is offering and that is illegal.


You can try to play games with 'Well he didn't outright say I want to buy illegal mags' but you know every bit as well as I do that is a delusional argument built on bullcrap.
The intent in each of these is crystal clear to anyone older than 9 and to try to claim that these are just innocent comments is flat out silly.

You're not that blind and neither am I.

Many manufacturers will not sell guns without all the stuff that comes with it in the box. Maybe he wants to illegally obtain high cap magazines, or maybe he wants to simply get a gun and trash the mags, or sell them to an authorized user. It doesn't matter what you think is more likely. It's not illegal. You are grasping at straws and alienating people who might want to legally obtain rebuild kits for ANY reason whatsoever.

[NiteQwill]

OSD, you're losing an uphill battle. Seriously.

Kes knows personally, and it has earned me a lengthy ban in the past. Tread lightly.

Did you read the posts that Kes is referring to? It is a blatant act in which to acquire an illegal item and using CGN to assist in that act. I see it and so do a whole lot of other members.