Draco questions

[C.W.M.V.]

Yes, bound to become a rifle. With the extension on the front and a pinned stock it will meet those requirements. Although I have considered contacting batf to start the SBR paperwork.

[jak77]

Good to know! thanks! Hopefully one day I can live in a state where my freedoms arent restricted. How are you starting the SBR paperwork in cali CWMV?

[Quiet]

Yes, bound to become a rifle. With the extension on the front and a pinned stock it will meet those requirements. Although I have considered contacting batf to start the SBR paperwork.

Prior to getting BATFE approval, you will need CA DOJ BOF approval for a Dangerous Weapons Permit (SBR).

BATFE will not approve the transfer/making of a SBR without having a valid Dangerous Weapons Permit from the CA DOJ BOF.

The Dangerous Weapons Permit requires a "good cause" statement.
If you are not working as a propmaster for the movie industry, you have a near impossible chance of getting approved.

If by the grace of God you get approved for a Dangerous Weapons Permit; you have to pay CA DOJ a yearly fee, have to register all the vehicles the SBR will be transported in, have to register all the locations where the SBR will be stored and are subject to yearly inspection audits by CA DOJ BOF. Transporting the SBR in a non-registered vehicle or storing the SBR in a non-registered location, is grounds to have your Dangerous Weapons Permit revoked and SBR confiscated.

[C.W.M.V.]

Uh...ok. Not a big deal, never said I was going the SBR route, just considering it. Still going with a barrel extension.

[Quiet]

Uh...ok. Not a big deal, never said I was going the SBR route, just considering it. Still going with a barrel extension.

When you go the pistol to rifle route, don't forget to permanetly install the muzzle extension prior to installing the shoulder stock.

The ATF procedure for measuring barrel length is to measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device. Barrels are measured by inserting a dowel rod into the barrel until the rod stops against the bolt or breech-face. The rod is then marked at the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device, withdrawn from the barrel, and measured.

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

Nice pistols guys! I have a quick question, if you moved to a free state, could you put a stock on these pistols and register it as an SBR?

Yes - but it's the other way 'round. You must have the tax stamp in hand before installing a stock. That's my plan (eventually). In the meantime, while I'm stuck here in CA, I'm planning to do the same as C.W.M.V. is contemplating - permanently install a muzzle device to extend the barrel to 16", then a stock to convert it into a carbine. It'll be easy to remove the muzzle device when the time comes.

[Swift Justice]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but with plenty of cheap AK's around, why spend the money on a specialized AK pistol (the Draco) just to turn it into a rifle?

[migz]

dracos are kind of cheap

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but with plenty of cheap AK's around, why spend the money on a specialized AK pistol (the Draco) just to turn it into a rifle?

Had to try an AK pistol just to see what it was like. Already have a RAW AK, so no worries if it didn't work out. After having it a while, it looks like a very good base for a SBR when I escape CA, so no loss on the investment.

Oh, yeah... also, because we can!

[hefedehefe]

These work best as they are with a laser mounted on it preferably a tri beam here is my project so far



going to add a single point slint too

[stormy_clothing]

cut mine down from stock with a hack saw and used a dremel to open up the tube enough

[C.W.M.V.]

Had to try an AK pistol just to see what it was like. Already have a RAW AK, so no worries if it didn't work out. After having it a while, it looks like a very good base for a SBR when I escape CA, so no loss on the investment.

Oh, yeah... also, because we can!

Amen to all of that. For me mostly because it looks cool.
This


Plus this


=Cool little carbine.

[247Nino]

Anyway Im planning on going 100% mall ninja on this pistol, down to the single point sling, optic, laser, Krink brake/can, etc.

In order to fulfill this vision of tacticoolness I need an ultimac setup that works with the Draco. Does such a thing exist? I intend to use the ultimac/primary arms gen 2 red dot.

And where are you guys getting cheap 7.62x39?

I like your style, here is my custom brake, green lazor and rad-dot.
I cut the rail from a UTG setup, it is very solid and for $46 looks hella super awesome.

I think ammoman.com is pretty cheap right now... $219/1000rds

[C.W.M.V.]

Ok anyone know where I can find an inexpensive VZ58 folding stock? Check out the black SBR here...

[hk404me]

Cheap 7.62x39?

For bulk try:

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct887.aspx

For onez, twoz try Cope's Dist;

http://www.copesdistributing.net/product_info.php?cPath=45&products_id=2016

Yes, it is corrosive, but with proper care it's no big deal and goes "BANG" every time.

Congrats on the Draco! Lots of fun...

hk404me