Glock KPOS system

[jdberger]

still off topic! go start your own thread troll :P

Threads have a life of their own, buddy.

We've established that the KPOS is an NFA violation. That point is moot.

Now we're working on disabusing you of the notion that 9mm has a better ability to "end the fight" than 223.

Just trying to help.

[1911Operator]

Threads have a life of their own, buddy.

We've established that the KPOS is an NFA violation. That point is moot.

Now we're working on disabusing you of the notion that 9mm has a better ability to "end the fight" than 9mm.

Just trying to help.

might want to edit that "buddy"

[1911Operator]

the nice thing about these KPOS is the ability to have one weapon system (glock 19 or glock 17) and convert into a SBR. (if we were out of state) both guns use the same mags and same caliber. so stocking up on 9mm and 33rd mags, with a quality red dot would make a great zombie killer!

[ZombieTactics]

It might be helpful to know why you think 9mm will stop better/faster/fewer hits ... than a typical .223/5.56mm? Are you hung up on the size of the round or something, and just assume that bigger means badder?

[308SASS]

the nice thing about these KPOS is the ability to have one weapon system (glock 19 or glock 17) and convert into a SBR. (if we were out of state) both guns use the same mags and same caliber. so stocking up on 9mm and 33rd mags, with a quality red dot would make a great zombie killer!

LMFAO

Just because you cross a state line doesn't mean that you can convert your weapon into an NFA item.

As far as KPOS or any other pistol carbine conversions go - they are twice as fun than in normal config, multiply the fun factor by another 10 if host has happy switch.

[1911Operator]

It might be helpful to know why you think 9mm will stop better/faster/fewer hits ... than a typical .223/5.56mm? Are you hung up on the size of the round or something, and just assume that bigger means badder?

I know not all the energy is transfered from a bullet to its target. a 223 will go right threw a person and come out the end. oviously the exit hole will be bigger but compared to a 147gr, or 127gr winchester T-series... heavier round, bigger expansion= most of damage done within the body and not while it exits the body. I have seen plenty of balistic tests done with gel and the .223 does good deal of damage but the length it takes to do it, its almost outside the body.

[1911Operator]

LMFAO

Just because you cross a state line doesn't mean that you can convert your weapon into an NFA item.

As far as KPOS or any other pistol carbine conversions go - they are twice as fun than in normal config, multiply the fun factor by another 10 if host has happy switch.

oviously! but what are the chances of getting one here compared to ..lets say...indiana, oregon, arizona, georgia, florida, and the other 40 states? I was stationed in Georgia and almost put in the paper work for a silencer for one of my guns. $200 tax stamp...no big deal, 4 months wait time...no biggie either, but figuring out what to do with it before I come back to california...now thats gonna be a problem. and thats why i dint get it.

[CSACANNONEER]

the nice thing about these KPOS is the ability to have one weapon system (glock 19 or glock 17) and convert into a SBR. (if we were out of state) both guns use the same mags and same caliber. so stocking up on 9mm and 33rd mags, with a quality red dot would make a great zombie killer!

Why don't you just get a C&R handgun that comes with a stock and has been exempted from the NFA list? That stupid system that started this thread is sold to mall ninja type LEAs and tacticool civilians. Why would anyone want one of those over a gun that was designed to be a subgun in the first place?

oviously! but what are the chances of getting one here compared to ..lets say...indiana, oregon, arizona, georgia, florida, and the other 40 states? I was stationed in Georgia and almost put in the paper work for a silencer for one of my guns. $200 tax stamp...no big deal, 4 months wait time...no biggie either, but figuring out what to do with it before I come back to california...now thats gonna be a problem. and thats why i dint get it.

Sounds like you don't know much about NFA items. There's a better chance at getting a SBR in Ca than many other states! In fact, you can LEGALLY get a +50 year old C&R SBR or SBS in Ca already! If you jump through the right hoops, you can get a new SBR in Ca. This is not the case in many other states.

[ZombieTactics]

I know not all the energy is transfered from a bullet to its target. a 223 will go right threw a person and come out the end. oviously the exit hole will be bigger but compared to a 147gr, or 127gr winchester T-series... heavier round, bigger expansion= most of damage done within the body and not while it exits the body. I have seen plenty of balistic tests done with gel and the .223 does good deal of damage but the length it takes to do it, its almost outside the body.

You seem to fail to really understand the physics involved, which I think I have gone to some length attempting to explain. Everything I have posted so far is a matter of fact, not opinion. I'll have a go at it again in an attempt to get you to understand what every expert in the field already knows, and what has been proven over-n-over so many times that it's ridiculous.

It is not only the size of entry/exit wounds which matter, but let's start there.

In the case of handgun rounds, almost all will create an entry wound slightly smaller than the diameter of the round itself. This is due to the fact that skin is stretchy and there is insufficient friction to create a tearing effect. The internal wound channel is about the same unless a major organ is affected. In cases where there is an exit wound FMJ rounds create the same type of exit wound, while expanding rounds sometimes create a somewhat larger hole depending upon how well they expand. (Most HP handgun rounds never fully expand in actual human tissue, despite what gel tests might lead you to believe.) In almost all cases handgun round result in surprisingly little blood loss. The internal damage is limited to only whatever the projectile actually touched. There is insufficient energy to create cavitation or shock wave effects. Again, these are FACTS, as can be verified by talking to any medical examiner or ER doctor.

Rifle rounds - like .223/5.56mm are a different story altogether. The point of entry is no bigger than the size of the round, but the internal damage is quite severe. Unless the bullet tracks cleanly through very soft tissue, you'll see a massive shockwave/cavitation cavity starting at about 10cm in, generally creating a pulpy mass of utterly liquefied tissue. This generally doesn't get any bigger than a baseball, and the projectile then looses velocity quickly as it expends energy. The fact that it looses energy causes a drop in speed and a resulting return to non-cavitating track as it exits the body. the exit wound can be quite small or very large depending upon where the cavitation effect begins/ends. Blood loss and internal damage is significantly greater than with handgun rounds. ER doctors and paramedics can almost always immediately recognize handgun vs. rifle wounds, as the differences are really that obvious.

I can go on if you like, but I have no intention of doing so if you are fundamentally unteachable.

[1911Operator]

You seem to fail to really understand the physics involved, which I think I have gone to some length attempting to explain. Everything I have posted so far is a matter of fact, not opinion. I'll have a go at it again in an attempt to get you to understand what every expert in the field already knows, and what has been proven over-n-over so many times that it's ridiculous.

It is not only the size of entry/exit wounds which matter, but let's start there.

In the case of handgun rounds, almost all will create an entry wound slightly smaller than the diameter of the round itself. This is due to the fact that skin is stretchy and there is insufficient friction to create a tearing effect. The internal wound channel is about the same unless a major organ is affected. In cases where there is an exit wound FMJ rounds create the same type of exit wound, while expanding rounds sometimes create a somewhat larger hole depending upon how well they expand. (Most HP handgun rounds never fully expand in actual human tissue, despite what gel tests might lead you to believe.) In almost all cases handgun round result in surprisingly little blood loss. The internal damage is limited to only whatever the projectile actually touched. There is insufficient energy to create cavitation or shock wave effects. Again, these are FACTS, as can be verified by talking to any medical examiner or ER doctor.

Rifle rounds - like .223/5.56mm are a different story altogether. The point of entry is no bigger than the size of the round, but the internal damage is quite severe. Unless the bullet tracks cleanly through very soft tissue, you'll see a massive shockwave/cavitation cavity starting at about 10cm in, generally creating a pulpy mass of utterly liquefied tissue. This generally doesn't get any bigger than a baseball, and the projectile then looses velocity quickly as it expends energy. The fact that it looses energy causes a drop in speed and a resulting return to non-cavitating track as it exits the body. the exit wound can be quite small or very large depending upon where the cavitation effect begins/ends. Blood loss and internal damage is significantly greater than with handgun rounds. ER doctors and paramedics can almost always immediately recognize handgun vs. rifle wounds, as the differences are really that obvious.

I can go on if you like, but I have no intention of doing so if you are fundamentally unteachable.

ok thanks I GET IT, .223 is better then 9mm, I also understood this a while back after doin some research. either way 9mm is a very close runner up on the damage scale. and I still perfer it.

[bohoki]

well that got the pos right

[jdberger]

ok thanks I GET IT, .223 is better then 9mm, I also understood this a while back after doin some research. either way 9mm is a very close runner up on the damage scale. and I still perfer it.

9mm is a close runner up to what on the "damage scale"?

Not 223. Not even .357 magnum. Not .45 ACP or .40 S&W...

If you prefer 9mm - so be it (to be fair, I sometimes carry a P7), but don't blow smoke trying to convince us that it has anything equal to the damaging power of a bottlenecked rifle round.

[1911Operator]

9mm is a close runner up to what on the "damage scale"?

Not 223. Not even .357 magnum. Not .45 ACP or .40 S&W...

If you prefer 9mm - so be it (to be fair, I sometimes carry a P7), but don't blow smoke trying to convince us that it has anything equal to the damaging power of a bottlenecked rifle round.

I would of thought 357 mag would do more damage, guess not. either way , if you get shot in the face it wont matter what its with, you gonna go down. 9mm is cheaper, consealable, can be shot out of a actual pistol, very easy to get a hold of. so thats why im goin with 9mm.

[C.W.M.V.]

So that KPOS system sure looks sweet doesn't it? What all is involved in attaching a pistol to it? Snap on or more involved? I mean we are still talking about that, right?

[1911Operator]

So that KPOS system sure looks sweet doesn't it? What all is involved in attaching a pistol to it? Snap on or more involved? I mean we are still talking about that, right?

lol yeah, I saw a vid on youtube and you just slide it in, theres a "quick detach" looking lever that pins the Glock into the KPOS system. very simple and quick to do. but, you need to install a glock charging lever on you glock. think it comes with the kit but im not sure. they make these for sigs and 1911's too.